ANC builds bench 'stadium' costing R15 million in Eastern Cape

[TheChamp]

They should not just fire one person they should take the entire board that signed this off and take them to jail for corruption.

It always amazes me how you can sit as a panel and get three tenders in, one says 3mil the other 4mil and then 15mil and the entire board says yes 15mil.

I really don't care if there is intimidation on the other board members to allow this, they should stand up and take action.

But that's the issue the entire board is corrupt to the core.

Sometimes I understand kangaroo justice on these people

It's slightly complicated than that though and just firing everyone is not going to work, it's not like one committee sits, looks at the tenders, evaluate and finalise everything right there, one committee could have done its job correctly and someone like a CFO could just use their powers to circumvent the whole thing and push a different tender through.

There are different levels of accountability and everyone does their job, one or two rogue people in the chain with the right powers can mess the whole thing, so firing everyone will not be right or even legal.

 

[Ponderer]

It's slightly complicated than that though and just firing everyone is not going to work, it's not like one committee sits, looks at the tenders, evaluate and finalise everything right there, one committee could have done its job correctly and someone like a CFO could just use their powers to circumvent the whole thing and push a different tender through.

There are different levels of accountability and everyone does their job, one or two rogue people in the chain with the right powers can mess the whole thing, so firing everyone will not be right or even legal.

So what do you suggest?
It seems you are trying to sugar coat the thieving of the ANC.

 

[TheChamp]

Its not the boards that get taken to task by kangeroo courts.
It should, but its not, its just the little people for stealing R50.

Let's see, in the Gauteng PPE corruption, the Chief Director: Supply Chain and Asset Management was fired, the Chief Financial officer resigned before she was fired, those are two of the highest decision makers in the whole tender process, they are not the little you make them out to be, they are in fact far high up than a normal tender committee member if you insist they are just little people I would like you to tell me who are the big people in the tendering process.

 

[wingnut771]

So what do you suggest?
It seems you are trying to sugar coat the thieving of the ANC.

 

[wingnut771]

Let's see, in the Gauteng PPE corruption, the Chief Director: Supply Chain and Asset Management was fired, the Chief Financial officer resigned before she was fired, those are two of the highest decision makers in the whole tender process, they are not the little you make them out to be, they are in fact far high up than a normal tender committee member if you insist they are just little people I would like you to tell me who are the big people in the tendering process.

If I steal a chocolate from checkers and get caught, I get arrested, go to jail, go to court, go to prison.

 

[wbot]

they should take the entire board that signed this off and take them to jail for corruption.

Haha never gonna happen

 

[RedViking]

It's slightly complicated than that though and just firing everyone is not going to work, it's not like one committee sits, looks at the tenders, evaluate and finalise everything right there, one committee could have done its job correctly and someone like a CFO could just use their powers to circumvent the whole thing and push a different tender through.

There are different levels of accountability and everyone does their job, one or two rogue people in the chain with the right powers can mess the whole thing, so firing everyone will not be right or even legal.

It is very simple actually. Fire the lot and start from scratch with competent people and someone with a backbone at the top. But we know this will end up with a lot of "car accidents" and "death during a robbery" incidents.

 

[R13...]

It is very simple actually. Fire the lot and start from scratch with competent people and someone with a backbone at the top. But we know this will end up with a lot of "car accidents" and "death during a robbery" incidents.

Can't just fire people, the law requires you give them a fair hearing and all that. The controls are obviously weak or weakened at these entities. Really the best solution is arrests and successful quick prosecutions. The corrupt have become so accustomed to getting away with it that they don't need to worry. The worst that can happen is you're fired but the system is rigged so a lot of the connected just end up back in at some other government department. And so it goes on. It's a political problem and there's no will to resolve the problem because it benefits the ruling elite and their connected friends and families plus funds them.

 

[Ponderer]

Can't just fire people, the law requires you give them a fair hearing and all that. The controls are obviously weak or weakened at these entities. Really the best solution is arrests and successful quick prosecutions. The corrupt have become so accustomed to getting away with it that they don't need to worry. The worst that can happen is you're fired but the system is rigged so a lot of the connected just end up back in at some other government department. And so it goes on. It's a political problem and there's no will to resolve the problem because it benefits the ruling elite and their connected friends and families plus funds them.

The only workable/implementable solution is to vote the ANC out of power.
Things are going from bad to worse, and something needs to be done about it.
The ANC is not a problem - it's the problem.

 

[azbob]

The only workable/implementable solution is to vote the ANC out of power.
Things are going from bad to worse, and something needs to be done about it.
The ANC is not a problem - it's the problem.

Except that’s not workable or implementable at all. They’ve clearly stated that they will rule until Jesus comes back.

 

[Mista_Mobsta]

Can't just fire people, the law requires you give them a fair hearing and all that. The controls are obviously weak or weakened at these entities. Really the best solution is arrests and successful quick prosecutions. The corrupt have become so accustomed to getting away with it that they don't need to worry. The worst that can happen is you're fired but the system is rigged so a lot of the connected just end up back in at some other government department. And so it goes on. It's a political problem and there's no will to resolve the problem because it benefits the ruling elite and their connected friends and families plus funds them.

Easy fix: we need to create a Corruption Enabling Offender database - should you be found partaking in corruption, even if not found guilty of corruption in court, then your name is added to the database. Every single private/public entity should have access to that database and be able to verify details of potential employees against it. The person on the database should then first PROVE their innocence via a disciplinary hearing, chaired by an INDEPENDENT and SPECIALISED anti-corruption entity, before their details are removed from the database.

 

[Mystic Twilight]

They should not just fire one person they should take the entire board that signed this off and take them to jail for corruption.

It always amazes me how you can sit as a panel and get three tenders in, one says 3mil the other 4mil and then 15mil and the entire board says yes 15mil.

I really don't care if there is intimidation on the other board members to allow this, they should stand up and take action.

But that's the issue the entire board is corrupt to the core.

Sometimes I understand kangaroo justice on these people

If you ignore the corruption aspect, if you assume price and performance relationship is scaled positively then the 15 mil option is the safest bet because you maximized your spend to get the maximum return, and minimized the risk of falling short of delivering on the project because of frugality/underspending. It may not be the most optimum choice, but it definitely is the safest choice. This sort of decision making happens a lot in procurement, more money = better quality = better performance, except for accounting departments that always target minimal spending. In this specific instance we happen to know corruption is the likely reason for overspending.

 

[Acid0]

Except that’s not workable or implementable at all. They’ve clearly stated that they will rule until Jesus comes back.

And the sad part is who is the alternative right now?
EFF will hit the Nitros on this bus, the DA is " too white"

 

[azbob]

And the sad part is who is the alternative right now?
EFF will hit the Nitros on this bus, the DA is " too white"

The DA were gaining ground but then started getting rid of all their black people.

 

[wingnut771]

The DA were gaining ground but then started getting rid of all their black people.

Didn't they resign on their own because of hurt feelings?

 

[Vrotappel]

The DA were gaining ground but then started getting rid of all their black people.

The word you are looking for is resign.

 

[ADrunkTeddyBear]

No fooks given.

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Wheres their masks?

 

[surface]

Except that’s not workable or implementable at all. They’ve clearly stated that they will rule until Jesus comes back.

I am not so sure about this. I am a bit squeamish about possibility of ANC & EFF coalition in the not so distant future.

 

[Unhappy438]

Truly an ANC success story.

It's pathetic. As was said in article, the people deserve better. These are poor people living in some rural village. All they see is that they got some crappy fields. They don't perceive the massive wastage and theft that is happening here. They don't understand how much more they've missed out on thanks to thieves.

This sort of thing genuinely makes me angry. Here's an example of a vulnerable group of people being taken advantage of. How anyone can continue to support these ANC muppets knowing they do stuff like this is beyond me. This is plain evil.

People who still support the ANC at this stage are either incredibly dumb or just as evil as them.

 

[krycor]

The word you are looking for is resign.

Let me employ you and see what happens I promise I won’t fire you but you will not be employed for long either.