ANC builds bench 'stadium' costing R15 million in Eastern Cape

ToxicBunny

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It's a start, the criminal case might take long but this is not the kind of attention the contractors and the collaborators at government would be chuffed about, there's a potential of even more dodgy deal being unearthed, no one wants SARS and the SIU on their case, they are mean.

But the question is why should such a simple case take long?

Its clearly evident that there was monumental skullduggery at play here... it should be a relatively simple task to nail the first line people involved in this.

For me, the concern is we'll spend 6 years investigating this event, and spend considerably more than R15m on the investigation and court cases etc when it should be quite open and shut. Yes, they may not get the masterminds behind it, but if we start moving quickly and nailing the first line guys then the master minds start losing their ability to siphon money as the risk gets too great for the people at the coal face to engage in the behaviour.
 

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This is a good example of Modern Abstract Corruption(1992+).
-The stadion was the abstract medium.
-Laws rules & regultions may support it.
-The purpose of the medium is to project a picture in minds, but in reality money is being channelled out of the thoughts of those having the abstract picture painted as reality with a function.
-This is pre planned but because its abstractly projected, it flowes through the books, laws, rules, etc like soap.
---This concept of Abstract Digitally Assisted corruption is POORLY understood, its a growing cancer of note over 30 years.(Fast unpredictable cycles)
---In this case the "concept" was raped, however there are much more subtle similar corruption embedded in systems going on worldwide thats not that easily detected.
----This is a boardroom upwards thing(Masterminds), those beneath that are excused as workers.

$$$$=So if you buy into or receive a Product or Service, is it a MEDIUM to facilitate this type of corruption or not-?
$$$$=Follow the money streams till its last resting place, so why is this so difficult with 1st class Digital Banks(Claimed) don't ask me?
$+$+$=By the way, this is neither Capitalism, nor Communism, nor Socialism, nor any other political ideology in operation, this is fancy stealing at a scale of note, with a technocratic undertone, this is the greatest danger to humanity today, not Wars, Nuclear, Neither health, but health may get worse.
 
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But the question is why should such a simple case take long?

Its clearly evident that there was monumental skullduggery at play here... it should be a relatively simple task to nail the first line people involved in this.

For me, the concern is we'll spend 6 years investigating this event, and spend considerably more than R15m on the investigation and court cases etc when it should be quite open and shut. Yes, they may not get the masterminds behind it, but if we start moving quickly and nailing the first line guys then the master minds start losing their ability to siphon money as the risk gets too great for the people at the coal face to engage in the behaviour.
Postponements, postponements and even more postponements, after that appeal after appeal, the system is open to being gamed, that's why taking the money away is so important.
 

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Postponements, postponements and even more postponements, after that appeal after appeal, the system is open to being gamed, that's why taking the money away is so important.
I don't disagree at all, but this "gaming" of the system aspect that our "leaders" engage in needs to be nipped in the bud and squashed. Somehow we need a special appeals court process to deal with these things... so they can appeal to their hearts content, but their appeals are dealt with in weeks and not years.
 

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I am just going to leave this here.

Already falling apart.....




A massive project. Done in time and under budget..........and not falling apart.

 

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Reminds me of this old gem from 2016:

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You darker hued peeps with the ability to get online and discern the truth need to go and smack some sense into your people. Us whiteys have no voice and many of us are long since done with getting angry over this sort of thing. Now we just sit back and laugh...and laugh...and laugh...
 

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But the question is why should such a simple case take long?

Its clearly evident that there was monumental skullduggery at play here... it should be a relatively simple task to nail the first line people involved in this.

For me, the concern is we'll spend 6 years investigating this event, and spend considerably more than R15m on the investigation and court cases etc when it should be quite open and shut. Yes, they may not get the masterminds behind it, but if we start moving quickly and nailing the first line guys then the master minds start losing their ability to siphon money as the risk gets too great for the people at the coal face to engage in the behaviour.
Same reason why you even have to argue about why a residential electricity bill is R100k+ in error, it's a broken, incompetent and corrupt system, always at least one of those, sometimes all three..
 

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Same reason why you even have to argue about why a residential electricity bill is R100k+ in error, it's a broken, incompetent and corrupt system, always at least one of those, sometimes all three..
Fair point... Took me over a year to fix a R500k error on my water bill
 

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I really wish they would start auditing this companies that was not even suppose to get the tender and then look for paper trail where the bribes went.

It seriously cant be that difficult could it.

Then any company that wants to do tenders will know that they might be audited by SARS.

But color me surprised if it comes out that the tender were rewarded to the one members own company or his wife or brother that started the company a day before the tender were rewarded
They have zero interest in doing it.
 

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I had a colleague who had a 1 million rand water bill they read the meter backwards. Apparently he had to pay Joburg water before they'd investigate.
He just happened to have a million rands lying around?
 

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I had a colleague who had a 1 million rand water bill they read the meter backwards. Apparently he had to pay Joburg water before they'd investigate.
Ethekwini tried that with me... Wasn't buying it when the error was clearly their side... When I threatened to get lawyers and the media involved then I started to get traction on a solution
 

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I really wish they would start auditing this companies that was not even suppose to get the tender and then look for paper trail where the bribes went.

It seriously cant be that difficult could it.

Then any company that wants to do tenders will know that they might be audited by SARS.

But color me surprised if it comes out that the tender were rewarded to the one members own company or his wife or brother that started the company a day before the tender were rewarded
You mean procurement 101?

I am sure the BBBEE status is the only criteria and prerequisite..
 

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I had a colleague who had a 1 million rand water bill they read the meter backwards. Apparently he had to pay Joburg water before they'd investigate.
Coz his actual water bill was 000 000 1?
 

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Are only some teams allowed to play? If I have the school right, they hosted a multi-school hockey tournament a week or 2 back.
Who hosted what, and where? I'm not sure what the rules are wrt tournaments.
 
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