ANC chief whip axed over sexual harrasment

[Darth Garth]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6180769.stm

Rather strange that nobody mentioned this but then when the govt does something right it is not worthy of discussion on here because it does not fit the perceptions of them ??? .

 

[jontyB]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6180769.stm

Rather strange that nobody mentioned this but then when the govt does something right it is not worthy of discussion on here because it does not fit the perceptions of them ??? .

Oh look tibby tried to stir.

Good that he was expelled. May he never get another job near a woman again.

 

[The_Unbeliever]

No, tibby is right... it is overlooked.

It is good that he was expelled, BUT what about the others (eg Her Nosiopness) continuing to drag the country down and not getting expelled?

A case of double standards at work?

 

[w1z4rd]

Just read about this on M&G. Good stuff ANC!

 

[JStrike]

This is very good work by the ANC

 

[DragonLogos]

Chief Whip... well at least he was open about it then

 

[bwana]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6180769.stm

Rather strange that nobody mentioned this but then when the govt does something right it is not worthy of discussion on here because it does not fit the perceptions of them ??? .

[-]Conflicting reports I guess with this discussion from the 9th where the Sunday Times article claimed "ANC whip cleared of sex claims". http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=60752

Rather strange that you didn't say anything then [/-]

Of course the DA had something to say -

"The ANC needs to explain, however, why it is that Mr Goniwe has been expelled for his crime before being found guilty by a court of law, whereas the convicted Travelgate criminals are still sitting in parliament, some of them as whips," he added.

So what happens if he should be found to be not guilty?

 

[chiskop]

Conflicting reports I guess with this discussion from the 9th where the Sunday Times article claimed "ANC whip cleared of sex claims". http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=60752

That thread was not about Goniwe.

Of course the DA had something to say - http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/Politics/0,,2-7-12_2045138,00.htmlSo what happens if he should be found to be not guilty?

Yes, of course they had something to say - but as usual it was just stirring the pot. Goniwe took leave after the allegations were made, it was his own decision. The DA's concern for Goniwe is touching.

 

[bwana]

That thread was not about Goniwe.

You're absolutely correct - I never considered there would be 2 different ANC whips up on sexual harassment charges at the same time.

Yes, of course they had something to say - but as usual it was just stirring the pot. Goniwe took leave after the allegations were made, it was his own decision. The DA's concern for Goniwe is touching.

Of course they had something to say - but because it's their job as the opposition.

However the article I quoted says he was

He was placed on an extended leave of absence in November after a preliminary inquiry found "strong prima facie evidence" warranting a disciplinary hearing.

That's a bit different than your terminology which makes it sound voluntarily.

 

[Tassidar]

Firstly, my congratulations to the ANC for acting. We so often accuse the ANC, so it is nice to see when something is done.

Secondly, IMO it seems as if sexual crimes are considered much greater in magnitude than corruption/theft crimes in SA. For example, look at the reaction to the Zuma case, Zuma was under far more threat from the rape accusation. Perhaps this is because of the demographic breakdown in parliament. With close to 50% female representation, any sexual crime would go totally against at least half of parliament. Corruption seems to be more acceptable, sadly.

 

[jontyB]

Why can't the ANC find an honorable Whip?

 

[simple_simon]

i love the way the guys are always shocked by the decisions when they are found guilty.

very insightfull into their mindset.

personally i believe there should be a law against career politicians.

 

[bwana]

Firstly, my congratulations to the ANC for acting. We so often accuse the ANC, so it is nice to see when something is done.

Secondly, IMO it seems as if sexual crimes are considered much greater in magnitude than corruption/theft crimes in SA. For example, look at the reaction to the Zuma case, Zuma was under far more threat from the rape accusation. Perhaps this is because of the demographic breakdown in parliament. With close to 50% female representation, any sexual crime would go totally against at least half of parliament. Corruption seems to be more acceptable, sadly.

I would hope so. Rape, your example, is a violent, physical and mental assault, against a person - it needs to be dealt with in an urgent manner.

 

[anger786]

Why can't the ANC find an honorable Whip?

Maybe they looking at da wrong people or do not know how to chosen.

 

[Tassidar]

I would hope so. Rape, your example, is a violent, physical and mental assault, against a person - it needs to be dealt with in an urgent manner.

Agreed. However, rape is one case of sexual harrasment (the most extreme). I was generally talking about less extreme cases, for example overly suggestive behaviour or open sexual suggestions in inappropriate circumstances. I have no objection to the handling of rape and feel that it is more urgent on a personal level than corruption. However, the committing of either crime makes a person unfit to be a public representative, and in that regard it should be dealt with equally. What I am saying is that rape should lead to a quick arrest, but both corruption or rape should lead to resignation (or firing).