ANC mayor recommends Durban Harbour should be closed to stop minerals from leaving South Africa

[patrick123]

I am constantly gobsmacked. I always thought ruining a country was medium difficult. The ANC have demonstrated how easy it is. With just 2 braincells (which puts you ahead of the ANC) you could do a reasonable job.

Spelling.

 

[ForceFate]

......and there are a lot of these "30% people" out there.

Masina is a millenial

 

[Arthur]

THESE -- are the people that the "geniuses" in the Afrikaner NP / BB GAVE the country away to
I am QUITE convinced they had never really met a black South African in their lives -- apart from "OUSIE"
Lived in a RICH PROTECTED BUBBLE
and
HOW is it that they had no inkling of what was going on just to the north of South Africa as the wave of UHURU swept down the continent ?
I wonder WHERE the state intelligence agencies were ?
( although perhaps talking about intelligence in the intelligence agencies is an -- OXYMORON ! )

Sorry chaps -- SOMEONE LET THE DOGS OUT -- you would do better by trying to find out WHO that was ...

To be fair, "the Afrikaner" was hounded, badgered, sanctioned, excluded, pressured, pushed and boycotted into doing so, including by people like me. My own motive was that they abandon the racial discrimination that prevented black people from owning property, attending schools and generally living and working permanently in large portions of their own country. Apartheid laws were in force for 40 years -- from the Population Registration Act of 1950 to the de facto scrapping of apartheid by de Klerk in 1990 -- and that grievous injustice has become the rod with which we are being beaten today and will be probably forever, or until the Revolution. They knew what was happening elsewhere in Africa - that was the reason for apartheid. Their intelligence services certainly knew what the ANC and PAC cadres were, but local and international events overtook them. In the end, a combination of internal and international pressure and their own conscience that racial discrimination is morally wrong got the better of them, they capitulated, surrendered power, and the ANC swept into government.

 

[Happy Days]

This is the calibre of living brain donor that runs this country. No wonder we're fukked.

Do you really want him to donate anything, nevermind his brain? That idiocy is contagious!

News24 report seems to be quiet detailed on what was said:

I will not serve under Ramaphosa - Ekurhuleni Mayor Mzwandile Masina

Ekurhuleni Mayor Mzwandile Masina says he will resign if Deputy President Cyril Ramaphosa wins the ANC’s December election.

www.news24.com

''I will leave. I can never serve under Cyril. I respect him as my older brother, as a leader. [But] I just don’t believe in this group he belongs to. So, he can lead. I will be out,'' he said.
''If Nkosazana loses, white people will lead SA. I will not be part of it. I will not be mayor of Ekurhuleni, but I will leave the ANC in power,'' he said.
''I will never leave the ANC. I will die in the ANC, but I will never support an ANC that is corrupt,'' he said.
''I am not part of that sheet. If Nkosazana doesn’t win, I am out.' he said

Masina said he would also step down as mayor and regional chair if the majority of branches in his region nominated Ramaphosa instead of Dlamini-Zuma.

Can someone remind him of the offer he made?

 

[Packer]

And the problem with democracy is the ignorant outvote the informed,

You...you mean that a spur-of-the-moment populist whim at the polls voting in a popular idiot with ‘boyish’ good looks and twinkling eyes is not enough? The rumours there’s a window of 4 years before the next election and the (populist) incumbent might not be there and long term projects with a horizon of greater than 4 years are seldom entered into thus nothing unpopular is started (might hurt election chances)? Are you implying these rumours are true?



So you’re saying a command economy (non democratic like China) has advantages? The leadership is qualified against peers through a process of intrigue and political acumen over 4000yrs with free health care and education. Remember, democracy gave us Trump and Zuma. Are you a pinko, commie?

 

[ponder]

... and the ANC swept into government.

And everything happened as predicted.

 

[Arthur]

You...you mean that a spur-of-the-moment populist whim at the polls voting in a popular idiot with ‘boyish’ good looks and twinkling eyes is not enough? The rumours there’s a window of 4 years before the next election and the (populist) incumbent might not be there and long term projects with a horizon of greater than 4 years are seldom entered into thus nothing unpopular is started (might hurt election chances)? Are you implying these rumours are true?



So you’re saying a command economy (non democratic like China) has advantages? The leadership is qualified against peers through a process of intrigue and political acumen over 4000yrs with free health care and education. Remember, democracy gave us Trump and Zuma. Are you a pinko, commie?

I'm intrigued by how you get to the notion that I'm suggesting a command economy has advantages.

 

[Packer]

I'm intrigued by how you get to the notion that I'm suggesting a command economy has advantages.

Well you don’t seem impressed by democracy. What other non democratic system is there?

 

[Arthur]

Well you don’t seem impressed by democracy. What other non democratic system is there?

You're right. I'm not particularly enamored of democracy. It is simply one possible mechanism for deciding who gets to be Caesar. Of much greater importance is: what are the right of citizens vis-à-vis the State. I do not believe the State is the granter of any rights whatsoever. Rights are proper to the person by virtue of being human and antecede the State. When democracy or any tyrant tramples on those rights, people have the right to resist. Democracies can be just a tyrannical as any dictator, as you of course know. So it can't be the final measure.

 

[Sinbad]

Well you don’t seem impressed by democracy. What other non democratic system is there?

Democracy has a major flaw in that it assumes that the majority know what is best for a country.

 

[Arthur]

I am a democrat only when the very great plurality of people in that jurisdiction agree on what constitutes justice, what the rights of people are (and aren't), what the legitimate role of government is in a society, and that the majority cannot for any reason whatsoever arrogate to itself the right to run other people's lives and appropriate their property. Until we have that, we live in the Zone of War, and I am armed. Justice is more important than letting people choose Caesar.

 

[Nick333]

All these obviously preposterous and ridiculous utterances by black politicians lead me to wonder whether there might not be a style of rhetoric in black culture that whites completely miss because they take it literally when it is meant figuratively to make a more tangential point.

Most cultures have modes of speech that should not be parsed in a narrow literal sense, as anyone familiar with literature knows.

I suspect this mayor might simply be using an African idiomatic and rhetorical style while speaking in English. His black audience knows he doesn't literally mean close the port and stop mineral exports, but perhaps saying that reconfiguring the ownership structures requires bold and even dramatic action that will displease the few (bourgeoisie) and please the many (proletariat).

It's hyperbolic, figurative, and coded.

For that reason I'm not inclined to take his statement literally, because it's not meant that way, but it sure is fun (he thinks to himsel) to see the bourgeoisie get a rise and knot their knickers...

You may well be right. It may well be that some cultures idiomatic and rhetorical style is best suited to creating 3rd world shyt holes.

 

[Nick333]

He also never said that, he was quoted out of context, just like he would be out of context in this one as well.

Some people are just to easy to quote out of context.

 

[Arthur]

You may well be right. It may well be that some cultures idiomatic and rhetorical style is best suited to creating 3rd world shyt holes.

Hehe. You're right. I'd go further: Most professional politicians, whatever their rhetorical style, are destroyers of value. Like the Anthropophagoi, they prey on human lives.

 

[MidnightWizard]

To be fair, "the Afrikaner" was hounded, badgered, sanctioned, excluded, pressured, pushed and boycotted into doing so, including by people like me. My own motive was that they abandon the racial discrimination that prevented black people from owning property, attending schools and generally living and working permanently in large portions of their own country. Apartheid laws were in force for 40 years -- from the Population Registration Act of 1950 to the de facto scrapping of apartheid by de Klerk in 1990 -- and that grievous injustice has become the rod with which we are being beaten today and will be probably forever, or until the Revolution. They knew what was happening elsewhere in Africa - that was the reason for apartheid. Their intelligence services certainly knew what the ANC and PAC cadres were, but local and international events overtook them. In the end, a combination of internal and international pressure and their own conscience that racial discrimination is morally wrong got the better of them, they capitulated, surrendered power, and the ANC swept into government.

Please apply for a job at -- NASPERS
At one stage the ANC were reduced to a fax machine in Dar es Salaam
WHAT happened ?

 

[ForceFate]

Do you really want him to donate anything, nevermind his brain? That idiocy is contagious!



Can someone remind him of the offer he made?

He was reminded several times in the past. He ignores it.

 

[patrick123]

Democracy has a major flaw in that it assumes that the majority know what is best for a country.

The famous 2 wolves and a lamb voting what's for dinner.

 

[Packer]

Rights are proper to the person by virtue of being human and antecede the State.

Rights, shmites. Might is right and that’s the only law. You will be allowed to exercise those rights to the extent that ‘might’ allows you. You have no ‘rights’ of your own except those the regime allows you to have (‘democratic’ or other). ‘Rights’ are not intrinsic.

 

[vigras rojara]

Democracy has a major flaw in that it assumes that the majority know what is best for a country.

Yup, Brexit is an example of this.

 

[aleksandar]

Democracy has a major flaw in that it assumes that the majority know what is best for a country.

That is why Socrates opposed democracy, he was of opinion that democracy can only work if you have educated masses and you don't.
So some sort of litmus test should be done if person could vote.