ANC to ask Zuma to step down - Report

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ANC to ask Zuma to step down - Report

Members of South Africa’s newly elected African National Congress’ executive committee will meet with President Jacob Zuma to advise him to step down, Johannesburg’s City Press reported, citing unidentified people.
 

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If Ramaphosa leads till 2019 and ANC wins in 2019, can he only serve only 1 term after the elections?
 

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If Ramaphosa leads till 2019 and ANC wins in 2019, can he only serve only 1 term after the elections?
No. Apparently it is limited to two elected terms. So he can do a term as a care taker president and then two as a elected president.
 

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:confused:They recalled Mbeki, why cant they do the same with this piece of garbage?
 

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:confused:They recalled Mbeki, why cant they do the same with this piece of garbage?
His patronage network is very strong. Lots of the people involved in the decision to recall him will find themselves in a spot of trouble when it happens.
 

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:confused:They recalled Mbeki, why cant they do the same with this piece of garbage?
Because he is captured. He is only executing the orders given to him by the Guptas. While he had his term in office, he appointed and surrounded himself with a large number of Gupta stooges who are also being paid off. They are the majority in government and in the ANC structures and overrule any decision made to remove Zuma or the state captures themselves. The ANC is merely there protecting the interests of the Guptas and there is not enough support to get rid of them. That is the reason why Zuma is still in power and cannot be removed.
 

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Because he is captured. He is only executing the orders given to him by the Guptas. While he had his term in office, he appointed and surrounded himself with a large number of Gupta stooges who are also being paid off. They are the majority in government and in the ANC structures and overrule any decision made to remove Zuma or the state captures themselves. The ANC is merely there protecting the interests of the Guptas and there is not enough support to get rid of them. That is the reason why Zuma is still in power and cannot be removed.
You think he is captured by the Gupta’s alone?
Think Russians, Chinese. etc.
 

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You think he is captured by the Gupta’s alone?
Think Russians, Chinese. etc.
I highly doubt the russians and chinese even deals with the ANC or the SA Government. All their deals are going through the Guptas. Much like is being revealed in the Multichoice sage now.
 

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I’m not sure advising him is the right way...

Threatening him of jail if he doesn’t step down vs an amnesty if he does would work better.
 

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I’m not sure advising him is the right way...

Threatening him of jail if he doesn’t step down vs an amnesty if he does would work better.
Threatening Zuma is not an option and they will never go that route. I too prefer this not happening. When Zuma is threatened with jail, there is little chance he and the Guptas will give up power. A dictatorship will most certainly follow any threats made against them.

Best is to work out an amnesty deal for Zuma and the Guptas. Ensure that no prosecution will be instituted. Ensure the Guptas some freedom in regards to their companies in SA. Ensure that they still have the majority of their stooges employed in strategic positions in government and the ANC, as a backstop for them. Work out a decent remuneration package for Zuma and his family to ensure that they will live in riches for the rest of their lives on tax money. Then we may see Zuma standing down at the end of 2019.
 
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What dictatorship? The army and SAPS are not going to follow him anywhere, and without this there is no chance of a dictatorship.

The army wouldn’t even be able to control half the country if they wanted to.
 

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Can't be a dictatorship if he's not in power. Remove him as president, then send him to court to face everything.

Anything less than that means JZ gets away with almost destroying a country.
 

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What dictatorship? The army and SAPS are not going to follow him anywhere, and without this there is no chance of a dictatorship.

The army wouldn’t even be able to control half the country if they wanted to.
The army serves the current president of the country. He has their support and most management protects and support him and the Guptas. We will not have a similar issue as in Zim. Zuma and co. made sure about that.
 

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The army serves the current president of the country. He has their support and most management protects and support him and the Guptas. We will not have a similar issue as in Zim. Zuma and co. made sure about that.
Because the army always follows its management.l (especially when such management follows orders in breach of the constitution that they have to uphold).

Because the SANDF has the capacity to control all the territory.

These people are faithful to the ANC, not to Zuma.
 

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The army serves the current president of the country. He has their support and most management protects and support him and the Guptas. We will not have a similar issue as in Zim. Zuma and co. made sure about that.
The army won't be able to help Zuma. The problem with lining the police and armed services with pro Zuma people is that the other than being 'loyal' they are useless.
 

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Because he is captured. He is only executing the orders given to him by the Guptas.
Mbeki, Ramaphosa (more) had been captured long time ago, in 1993. All of them become incredible rich in a short time after 1993 and are totally dependent.

Even bankers or Oppenheimers can't remove Zuma (they tried many times and failed) as he is a good politician and authentic leader speaking for the people who elected him. Mbeki or Ramaphosa are/were only executing orders given to them by Oppenheimers.

Great Broadband and IT News, anyway. ;)
 

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You think he is captured by the Gupta’s alone?
Think Russians, Chinese. etc.
+1 that rabbit hole goes far wide and deep ... its all about greed for money in the end ... land tenders through unlawful and corrupt ways and then have exhorbitant margins and worse still not deliver on your contractual obligations because:
1. you dont know what you doing
2. you too lazy to care

There are so many businesses that would be implicated both international and local. The most firghtening thing is that its almost become ok to conduct business in this way and even scarier seeing the local people (who have obtained tenders the unlawful and corrupt way) complaining about the international players, only because they want a part of that "bigger" pie ...
 

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Mbeki, Ramaphosa (more) had been captured long time ago, in 1993. All of them become incredible rich in a short time after 1993 and are totally dependent.

Even bankers or Oppenheimers can't remove Zuma (they tried many times and failed) as he is a good politician and authentic leader speaking for the people who elected him. Mbeki or Ramaphosa are/were only executing orders given to them by Oppenheimers.

Great Broadband and IT News, anyway. ;)
I know very well what the Oppenheimers do and they couldn’t care less about SA in the recent days.

They live in London, a massive share of their money is out, they are out of Anglo and De Beers and invest in the rest of Africa and Europe.

Any proof that Mbeki is rich?
 

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I know very well what the Oppenheimers [...] Any proof that Mbeki is rich?
While others (like Ramaphosa) focused on SA, he invested abroad in Southern Africa, mines in DRC - a lot.

And don't forget that his house was built by the government, not for his private money. It was a lot about in a press, all silenced when he was out.
 
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While others (like Ramaphosa) focused on SA, he invested abroad in Southern Africa, mines in DRC - a lot.

And don't forget that his house was built by the government, not for his private money. It was a lot about in a press, all silenced when he was out.
Proofs, not hearsay.

You know that the company’s register in DRC is public and that the shareholders are too?

You mean that house? https://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/mbekis-mansion-revealed-292043
 
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