ANCYL wants to name Amanzimtoti after a terrorist

[Buddha]

http://vivaamc.wordpress.com/2008/08/14/ancyl-honors-terrorist-bomber/

lol @ this image: http://vivaamc.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/welcometozondo.jpg

 

[gregmcc]

lol!!

 

[EtienneK]

I propose they rename OR Thambo International to Eugene Terblanche International.

It's only fair.

 

[Lycanthrope]

I propose they rename OR Thambo International to Eugene Terblanche International.

It's only fair.

Personally, quite like, "Lycanthrope International" - it has a ring to it ^.^

 

[ironrod]

The ANCYL isn't content with just renaming the main road "Andrew Zondo Road". Now they want to rename Amanzimtoti to "Zondo" after the terrorist that planted a bomb and killed 5 people in a Toti shopping centre in 1985. WTF is wrong with these people!

It is so clear to me where this country is headed, these racist idiots don't WANT reconciliation. If you're planning on staying in this country, expect more of this and much worse. I'm not particularly religious, but God help the people that can't or won't leave this country. -rant over-

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20080810092533816C513639

Why do you call them/us racist idiots? Aren't we allowed to remember our freedom fighters? He was not a terrorist, but a freedom fighter, he did what a lot of black South African could not do, fight for their freedom, by putting a lot of pressure on the then government.

It all depends on your personal take on issues like these. Do/did we complain about all the colonial names you have used to name the whole country? Were we given a chance/say when names were chosen to decorate this country?

So shut up!!!!

 

[ironrod]

I must admit, a while ago I did not even know or care to know that the ANCYL existed. Now everybody in this country knows about them and follow what they are doing.

Coming up with stupid ideas got these idiots noticed. Now they are getting the attention they wanted. They will simply keep pushing out stupid ideas until people learn to ignore them.

That is what needs to be done. Ignore them and keep quiet.

 

[ToxicBunny]

I'm sorry for you ironrod, Zondo was a terrorist, and a coward.

He chose a soft target and killed innocent civilians. He should not be remembered as a Freedom Fighter. I have no problem with choosing to remember him as a Freedom Fighter in some other bloody location, but choosing the location where he bombed and killed innocent civilians is NOT remembering him at all, but rather rubbing salt into a wound that has not healed totally.

 

[ironrod]

I used to live in 'Toti. i walked past the scene just hours after it happened. There were big pools of blood and shards of glass everywhere. Anyone who wants to name anything after someone who caused such destruction and pain to human lives deserves to be blown up themselves...

'Toti was blown up in 1985, Mandela was transferred to Pollsmoor in 1989, released from jail in 2001.

Do you think that would have happened were it not of the likes of Zondo?

 

[ironrod]

I'm not sure if this is supposed to be a parody post, but I'll bite anyway. I was trying to point out the hypocrisy in this thread (and the previous one). If you are really serious about reconciliation, you surely cannot criticise the ANC for wanting to name places/streets/schools after people who they consider important when the previous government did exactly the same thing. Verwoerd & co. caused incredible suffering for a huge number of people in this country. This is a fact. Despite this there are still many institutions that carry the names of apartheid figures. If you are not just blatantly racist, I would like to see some outrage regarding this as well, and not just knee-jerk reactions when things don't go your way.

And no, I don't support the ANC "overlord" or their "minions" at all. (BTW: Politics is not an RPG.) The stupidity on display in this thread just p issed me off.

Edit:

You're an idiot.

Thanks, you have summed it up nicely.

 

[TheHiveMind]

'Toti was blown up in 1985, Mandela was transferred to Pollsmoor in 1989, released from jail in 2001.

Do you think that would have happened were it not of the likes of Zondo?

He didn't know that was going to happen lol So he deserves no credit. He killed innocent people and children. Can't validate that. Couldn't care if it was baby Hitler. You have to give people a chance. What if one of those kids was going to grow up to cure aids.. Guess that would mean he is responsible for effectively killing millions.. We can play this game all day. Your logic is...... Zondo.. Yes thats my new word for sht. I named sht after Zondo.

 

[Hoof-Hearted]

Why do you call them/us racist idiots? Aren't we allowed to remember our freedom fighters? He was not a terrorist, but a freedom fighter, he did what a lot of black South African could not do, fight for their freedom, by putting a lot of pressure on the then government.

It all depends on your personal take on issues like these. Do/did we complain about all the colonial names you have used to name the whole country? Were we given a chance/say when names were chosen to decorate this country?

So shut up!!!!

One question for you there IronRod..
Are you / were you happy with Verwoerd, Vorster et al being used as names for streets / public buildings etc. ?
If not, ask yourself why not? Then maybe you will understand the reasons for people having a problem with Zondo being used.

As far as I'm concerned a freedom fighter is not someone who plants a bomb in a busy shopping centre with the express intention of killing / harming woman and children.

 

[ironrod]

From what I understand, you're claiming that because the old government did it, the new government can do it too? Two wrongs make a right?

This is not about two wrongs, but about addressing the wrongs done by the previous regime. Were we given a chance, when this South African streets, towns and buildings were named? No we were not worthy of that honour.

So relax, let us claim this country in its entirety.

 

[TheHiveMind]

ironrod must be willing to have his own families/friends die for someone elses idea of "freedom fighting" in order to have a leg to stand on in this argument Im afraid. Nazi's were freedom fighters too at the time. Get a brain will you.

 

[TheHiveMind]

This is not about two wrongs, but about addressing the wrongs done by the previous regime. Were we given a chance, when this South African streets, towns and buildings were named? No we were not worthy of that honour.

So relax, let us claim this country in its entirety.

Yeah, or maybe we should just start killing your family

 

[Zenbaas]

This is not about two wrongs, but about addressing the wrongs done by the previous regime. Were we given a chance, when this South African streets, towns and buildings were named? No we were not worthy of that honour.

So relax, let us claim this country in its entirety.

Its always funny how you try and mask your true objectives when posting, and then every so often it just peeks through...

 

[ironrod]

Yeah, or maybe we should just start killing your family

What about all those black people who were killed during the apartheid regime reign?

 

[Hoof-Hearted]

This is not about two wrongs, but about addressing the wrongs done by the previous regime. Were we given a chance, when this South African streets, towns and buildings were named? No we were not worthy of that honour.

So relax, let us claim this country in its entirety.

Amanzimtoti celebrates a previous regime "freedomfighter " ??

The naming of Amanzimtoti as 'sweetwaters' is generally attributed to Shaka, the famous King of the Zulus. During one of his campaigns, he and his army stopped to rest here and he was brought a calabash filled with water from the local river. He sipped the water and said “Kanti Amanz'amtoti' meaning ' the water is sweet'

 

[Albereth]

So, who gave Zondo the orders to blow up a soft target?

Did someone come clean at the TRC or is Zondo just another common murderer that we seem to have so many of? At least he got his just desserts.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Logic doesn't factor into this, this is just Zondoism and Zumaism at its finest really...

There is no claiming the country or anything like that. This is purely trying to fsck over the ppl of amanzimtoti and piss them off. Even the mans own FATHER said they shouldn't do what they've done.

 

[Albereth]

What about all those black people who were killed during the apartheid regime reign?

What about them? Are you suggesting that they should get to choose the names of things?