Another day... another CIT heist.

[kingmonty]

So in our quiet little neighbourhood there was a cash in Transit heist at three o'clock today. barely 50 f'n meters from our house. Shots fired and a neighbour was injured. I don't care which one of you wanna flame me, this country is a steaming pile of

 

[Syndyre]

So in our quiet little neighbourhood there was a cash in Transit heist at three o'clock today. barely 50 f'n meters from our house. Shots fired and a neighbour was injured. I don't care which one of you wanna flame me, this country is a steaming pile of

Agreed. Glad ur ok anyway, hope the neighbour's not badly injured.

 

[Highflyer_GP]

What I don't get is why don't these CIT companies start transporting cash in unmarked civilian vehicles? Surely it would make things safer for everybody?

Fair enough the cops should be more efficient in preventing/apprehending the culprits, but surely the CIT companies can do their part as well?

 

[Syndyre]

What I don't get is why don't these CIT companies start transporting cash in unmarked civilian vehicles? Surely it would make things safer for everybody?

Fair enough the cops should be more efficient in preventing/apprehending the culprits, but surely the CIT companies can do their part as well?

Apparently most of the time they have inside info, so they'd be able to identify the vehicles anyway and they'd just have less armour protection then. The banks should rather encourage people to use other options besides cash and structure their fees accordingly.

 

[Highflyer_GP]

Apparently most of the time they have inside info, so they'd be able to identify the vehicles anyway and they'd just have less armour protection then. The banks should rather encourage people to use other options besides cash and structure their fees accordingly.

Well at the moment there's enough speculation that it's inside info, however if these same heists are pulled off with unmarked vehicles then it would conclusively prove that it's inside info and would therefore require a major probe into existing staff and a possible complete restructuring.

 

[Syndyre]

Well at the moment there's enough speculation that it's inside info, however if these same heists are pulled off with unmarked vehicles then it would conclusively prove that it's inside info and would therefore require a major probe into existing staff and a possible complete restructuring.

True but its hard to provide the same level of physical protection in standard civilian vehicles. Be easy enough to wait at the pickup points and observe the cars picking up the cash anyway.

 

[Kimosabe]

In todays world there is no need for cash. We should be able to use our cards to be able to do everything. When i was in NZ everyone had an eftpos machine. even the street venders. and it cost neither of us a cent to use. SO really, the technology is there why not use it. But no we have banks that think that cash is the way to go. Remove the cash and u remove the cash in transit attacks. or use a helicopter. How come SA always thinks 10 years behind the rest of the world.

 

[IanC]

but surely the CIT companies can do their part as well?

Couldn't agree with you more, have you seen the CIT vehicles used in the UK and Europe, it would take a wee bit more than a 3-series Beemer or a Hi-Ace to knock them off their track?

 

[Syndyre]

In todays world there is no need for cash. We should be able to use our cards to be able to do everything. When i was in NZ everyone had an eftpos machine. even the street venders. and it cost neither of us a cent to use. SO really, the technology is there why not use it. But no we have banks that think that cash is the way to go. Remove the cash and u remove the cash in transit attacks. or use a helicopter. How come SA always thinks 10 years behind the rest of the world.

There's a large section of the economy here that deliberately deals in cash because its leaves no paper trail, hard to solve that problem.

 

[The Confederados]

You'd think they would have armed guards, and police cars following and preventing this from happening, I guess they don't care.

 

[Nanfeishen]

Actually they dont have the man-power to supply armed escort, and the police are stretched too thin and inundated with work, so nice in a western country, impractical logistically in Africa

 

[kingmonty]

The cops reckon it was superbly planned, the beemer nailed the CIT van exactly in the intersection perfectly at quite a high speed. Getaway cars were waiting on the pavement both sides. There is glass and pieces of car and van everywhere. Makes me sick to my stomach. *sigh*

 

[IanC]

Actually they dont have the man-power to supply armed escort, and the police are stretched too thin and inundated with work, so nice in a western country, impractical logistically in Africa

Actually the ones I've seen in the UK and Europe don't have an armed escort (in fact in the UK even the guards aren't armed). What I'm getting at is the CIT companies supplying something more to protect the guards and the cash, than a Hi-Ace lined with pig-iron.

 

[supersunbird]

Apparently the percentage of CIT heists of all CIT situations are actually very low and they dont really lose a lot of money through it (money is insured anyway) and thus the CIT companies dont really care...

 

[Syndyre]

Actually the ones I've seen in the UK and Europe don't have an armed escort (in fact in the UK even the guards aren't armed). What I'm getting at is the CIT companies supplying something more to protect the guards and the cash, than a Hi-Ace lined with pig-iron.

I've seen vans driving around lately that are a lot more armoured, look almost like tanks, they're just plain white with no company details so not sure who's using them.

 

[Syndyre]

Apparently the percentage of CIT heists of all CIT situations are actually very low and they dont really lose a lot of money through it (money is insured anyway) and thus the CIT companies dont really care...

They should be forced to care, at least financially, because it puts the public at risk.

 

[Datura]

I've seen vans driving around lately that are a lot more armoured, look almost like tanks, they're just plain white with no company details so not sure who's using them.

I have seen those around more frequently of late too. Big buggers! Some mornings on my way into Cape Town waiting to get onto the N1 outside the harbour, police cars come screaming through the peak hour traffic with about 4 CIT vans following them and they in turn are followed by another police vehicle. I **** myself everytime they come past but it seems to be quite a clever trick as I assume a heist in peak hour traffic would be extremely difficult to plan and execute. More to the point though, heists are occuring way too frequently in this country despite the expensive measures the CIT companies are going to to keep the money safe. Crime pays in SA and I wish it wasn't so because the more it pays the bloodier it gets and I can't help asking myself, "When am I gonna wind up in a pool of my own blood on the side of the road because some evil people decided to violently get rich quick!"

 

[Syndyre]

I have seen those around more frequently of late too. Big buggers! Some mornings on my way into Cape Town waiting to get onto the N1 outside the harbour, police cars come screaming through the peak hour traffic with about 4 CIT vans following them and they in turn are followed by another police vehicle. I **** myself everytime they come past but it seems to be quite a clever trick as I assume a heist in peak hour traffic would be extremely difficult to plan and execute. More to the point though, heists are occuring way too frequently in this country despite the expensive measures the CIT companies are going to to keep the money safe. Crime pays in SA and I wish it wasn't so because the more it pays the bloodier it gets and I can't help asking myself, "When am I gonna wind up in a pool of my own blood on the side of the road because some evil people decided to violently get rich quick!"

They need more intelligence driven operations where the cops feed the criminals false information and then when they actually go after the van be waiting for them. At the moment its purely reactive so its fairly easy to get away.

 

[diabolus]

Well at the moment there's enough speculation that it's inside info, however if these same heists are pulled off with unmarked vehicles then it would conclusively prove that it's inside info and would therefore require a major probe into existing staff and a possible complete restructuring.

Even if it's not inside info, how hard can it be to sit in front of a security firm and check their routes and pick-up and drop of points? I mean i see the van filling the ATM at our shopping mall every week AT THE SAME TIME , doesn't take a genius to figure out their route EVEN in an unmarked car. You can probably just sit at a regular drop point and identitify the car and go from there??

So i'd think using tank-like vehicles is probably more useful...they just need to add a few "decoys" or "dudds" in the mix [like doing a run with no money] .

 

[Datura]

They need more intelligence driven operations where the cops feed the criminals false information and then when they actually go after the van be waiting for them. At the moment its purely reactive so its fairly easy to get away.

I absolutely agree with this approach. The police definately need more undercover policing within the Syndicates and the CIT staff. It is very difficult and dangerous work but it is very neccesary.