Anti-gay pastor served for allegedly defying court ruling: ‘I will come out and preach the same message’

[SAguy]

Which comes down to the hypocritical cherry picking.

Ok, so Christians shouldn't plant more than one crop on the same field, or let cows and sheep graze on the same field, and God forbid we a Christian were to were a polyester-cotton blend garment

Edit: Another law, hope Christians never eat fruit that came from trees younger than 3 years old.

 

[surface]

So all Christians should live their lives according to Leviticus then? That's a bit silly don't you think

Absolutely not. What people don't realize is that quran & bible are perfect and there is something for everyone. You want to have slavery, there is a description. Wanna beat wife, offer daughter/son as sacrifice, there is something. Misogynist - ditto. Love - ditto. Violence - ditto. Pick what you can from perfect word of god - buffet is calling.

 

[Cray]

So all Christians should live their lives according to Leviticus then? That's a bit silly don't you think

Of course, it is, which is exactly the point, Christians pick and choose the sensible laws to live their lives by and disregard the crazy/outdated ones. Yet there are Christians who willingly ignore most of Leviticus , but stick steadfast in their assertion that what the bible says about gay people is still current and valid and use it to justify their bigotry.

I would have far more sympathy with religious gay-bashers if they lived their entire lives according to all of the bible-even Leviticus stuff, I might not agree with it but it would at least be consistent.

 

[TheFriendlyGhost]

"I'm saying so because it is proven that 99% of the paedophiles have a homosexual background. They are blaming their previous lifestyle on what happened. Go and read up on it."

Where do religious leaders fit into this percentage?

 

[McSack]

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination."
...

Anatomically pretty much impossible.... unless Big G is greek of course

 

[ponder]

However if it is preached in church homosexuality is a sin and you don't like it. Leave.

Also why only target and show hatred towards one 'type of sinner'?

Because just like the religious they are hypocrites.

 

[SAguy]

Of course, it is, which is exactly the point, Christians pick and choose the sensible laws to live their lives by and disregard the crazy/outdated ones. Yet there are Christians who willingly ignore most of Leviticus , but stick steadfast in their assertion that what the bible says about gay people is still current and valid and use it to justify their bigotry.

I would have far more sympathy with religious gay-bashers if they lived their entire lives according to all of the bible-even Leviticus stuff, I might not agree with it but it would at least be consistent.

100% agree, as a Christian I don't think there should be any middle ground because then you are a hypocrite. Either you stick to the laws of the bible to the letter or ignore these laws and find a different measure with which to measure yourself.

 

[ponder]

Free to practice religion not free to advocate hate speech.

It's a grave sin according to god mentioned in the bible & quran. The preacher is conveying this message/warning to the followers of the religion. If you are homosexual don't join the religion and if you're not a follower then the message/warning does not apply to you so ignore it.

I would like these groups to report mufti menk to the sahrc and see what happens, I doubt anything would come of it as they're too schit scared to touch islam.

 

[ponder]

100% agree, as a Christian I don't think there should be any middle ground because then you are a hypocrite. Either you stick to the laws of the bible to the letter or ignore these laws and find a different measure with which to measure yourself.

Which is what I was highlighting.

"Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you."

 

[daveza]

I'm saying so because it is proven that 99% of the paedophiles have a homosexual background.

Proven where, Readers Digest ?

Facts About Homosexuality and Child Molestation

Scientific research does not provide any evidence that gay men or lesbians are any more likely than heterosexuals to molest children

psychology.ucdavis.edu

The empirical research does not show that gay or bisexual men are any more likely than heterosexual men to molest children. This is not to argue that homosexual and bisexual men never molest children. But there is no scientific basis for asserting that they are more likely than heterosexual men to do so. And, as explained above, many child molesters cannot be characterized as having an adult sexual orientation at all; they are fixated on children.

 

[EADC]

It's a grave sin according to god mentioned in the bible & quran. The preacher is conveying this message/warning to the followers of the religion. If you are homosexual don't join the religion and if you're not a follower then the message/warning does not apply to you so ignore it.

I would like these groups to report mufti menk to the sahrc and see what happens, I doubt anything would come of it as they're too schit scared to touch islam.

Wouldn't you be I don't feel like having a fatwa against me.

 

[konfab]

No.

So the thought of yourself being in a homosexual relationship right now doesn't revolt you?

 

[konfab]

That's the issue most religions have moved with the times but then a small subset will pick and choose what they want to be militant about.

And the magic part is that you can just let those people be, and society will be fine as they don't command any majority.

 

[rambo919]

Once again it's all in the translation and interpretation.

Here's a contrary view.

In Romans 1:26-27 what are "unnatural" relations or "use beyond nature"?

Romans 1:26-27 reads: For this reason God gave them over to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged the natural sexual relations for unnatural ones, and likewise the men also abando...

hermeneutics.stackexchange.com

Seems like a very convenient reinterpretation.... especially when you consider it would have the same effect no matter who the other partner is in effect outlawing homosexuality anyway.

 

[ponder]

Wouldn't you be I don't feel like having a fatwa against me.

It's their mandate they have to uphold, equality and all that...

 

[konfab]

Of course, it is, which is exactly the point, Christians pick and choose the sensible laws to live their lives by and disregard the crazy/outdated ones. Yet there are Christians who willingly ignore most of Leviticus , but stick steadfast in their assertion that what the bible says about gay people is still current and valid and use it to justify their bigotry.

There are leftists who claim there are non-racialist, then stick in their assertion that white people are evil and must be discriminated against because of the writings of some fkwit professor at Harvard.

I would have far more sympathy with religious gay-bashers if they lived their entire lives according to all of the bible-even Leviticus stuff, I might not agree with it but it would at least be consistent.

No you wouldn't.

Case in point is the US constitution. I would hazard a guess, but you probably don't agree with the 2nd ammendement. Yet you probably fully agree with using a really bad interpretation of the constitution to justify a federal abortion. But this is exactly the same criticism that you are leveling at Christians.

 

[Cray]

There are leftists who claim there are non-racialist, then stick in their assertion that white people are evil and must be discriminated against because of the writings of some fkwit professor at Harvard.

Relevance to anything in this thread...? I have never said anything remotely like that so really not sure what your point is ...

No you wouldn't.

Because you know me so well...?

Case in point is the US constitution. I would hazard a guess, but you probably don't agree with the 2nd ammendement.

Yet you probably fully agree with using a really bad interpretation of the constitution to justify a federal abortion. But this is exactly the same criticism that you are leveling at Christians.

Not even an educated guess at that, but I am sure you are used to being wrong if these are the sort assumptions you make about people...

 

[Moosedrool]

Remember this classic

Legend has it he's still looking to find who is gay.

 

[konfab]

Relevance to anything in this thread...? I have never said anything remotely like that so really not sure what your point is ...

I claimed you said it.
Point was, people, regardless of religion/race etc will always come up with a good reason to be bigoted.

Not even an educated guess at that, but I am sure you are used to being wrong if these are the sort assumptions you make about people...

That is why I said it was a guess. I am quite willing to update my assumptions if I am wrong. This is why I am always right .

 

[Cray]

I claimed you said it.
Point was, people, regardless of religion/race etc will always come up with a good reason to be bigoted.

The fact that you think there is ever a "good" reason to be bigoted is a little worrying...