Any ANC supporters on this forum?

[Zenbaas]

This argument is just too clear and logical, so it won't be answered.

Like many simple questions which the OP has chosen to ignore.

+1. Truly a well thought out and excellent post by Tassidir and I can't agree more.

 

[alloytoo]

Will this include citizens who pay VAT?

Keep your slips.

 

[alloytoo]

Those names are going to change, we cant afford upholding the names of apartheid human rights abusers. Its very important to change these names and there is a budget for it.

a) Not all the streets renamed were originally named in the apartheid era. In fact some had purely geographic names, or names of prominant community members related to the origin of the road.

b) How did living persons get streets named after them (in contravention of national guidelines)?

c) How did persons unrelated to the place get streets named after them?

d) How did convicted murderers get streets named after them?

e) How come some of the new streets are spelt wrong?

f) How come the ANC cannot explain who some of these new streets are named after?

g) How come people actually living or conducting business on the streets in question were not asked for input?

 

[alloytoo]

Really, the ANC oppresses its own people. How come we the people who support the ANC dont feel the oppression? Because it is not there.

Do you see the ANC restriicting the movement of blacks?

Yes, but not only blacks. public transport systems are a debacle.

Do you see the ANC asking for passes from blacks to justify their presence in certain area?

Nah, they just willy nilly stick people in provinces they don't want to be.

Do you see the ANC keeping the blacks from entering the economy?

No, they have legislation prohibiting whites from entering the economy. The inability to bring the majority of blacks into the formal economy is incidental incompetance.

Do you see the ANC putting up whites only signs?

No, the signs read Previously disadvantaged only, with "blacks only" in subtext, witness how irritated they were when the counterevolutionary judges made Chinese Previously disadvantaged.

Do you see the ANC giving heaby sentances to blacks because of the colour of their skin?

Lighter sentences old boy, lighter sentences, Tony Yengeni springs to mind.

Do you see the ANC shooting down blacks because they are standing up for the human rights?

Say weren't rubber bullets used to quell those foreign refugees, and those protesting service delivery.

Real bullets are reserved for shooting out the tyres of law abiding motorists.

Do you see the ANC shamboking people because they are blacks?

The ANC use Sjamboks, never. Rocks, axes and hoes are preferred when AK47's are denied. (admittedly this is usually at the ANC's own rallys)

Do you see the ANC hanging people because they are black?

Nah AIDS is far less labour intensive.

Do you really understand what oppression is?

Yes, the New SA abounds in it.

 

[alloytoo]

Stop insulting and engage your mind.
A black person in south Africa during apartheid stood a greater chance of being sentenced to death than a white one. If you don't know this, you don't know apartheid. Don't lie to me that the death sentence was equally applied to both blacks and whites.

That's also statistically true as well.
LOL

Once should now ask, how many black persons vs white persons are being sentenced to life sentences in the new SA. and what is that in the context of population demographics.

The ANC got rid of apartheid, be thankful that you don't have to fear MK bombing a mall or white owned properties. We are now all free.

I got rid of apartheid. I voted in the referendium. The ANC didn't.

 

[marine1]

Exactly if not for us voting in that referendum, where would we be now? WE the white people of SA voted not the black people.

 

[alloytoo]

Non race based, means helping poor people, and not helping rich black people who don't need help, but are the ones currently abusing the system. What is wrong with that? You and the ANC would rather see rich blacks get richer and poor whites die on the street then help poor people in general and forget the rich.

Your answer is: Whites should start businesses...
Are YOU going to lend me money to do that?

Even if he did, your business however efficient you may be, will always be sucking the hindtit of raciest procurement policies.

 

[alloytoo]

Incidentally, while it is quite easy to blame whites for treating you badly, in the history of Africa, whites are among the least offenders. The Arabs were operating slave trades long before the whites, and at least as brutally.

Lets not forget who sold whom down the river. Them Arab traders had to buy the slaves from somebody.

 

[alloytoo]

Exactly if not for us voting in that referendum, where would we be now? WE the white people of SA voted not the black people.

And this is the thanks we get......

Seriously, the ANC forgets anything that's not ANC and even then their memory is spotty....maybe it's the "zol"? (That would explain the paranoia too)

 

[marine1]

ROFL

 

[alloytoo]

ROFL

As Zapiro will tell you, those clouds above Lithuli house are not thought balloons.

 

[capetownguy]

a vote for ANC is a vote for blackouts.

 

[Albereth]

Today I am free to work in company owned by a white person and use the money to go to university and empower myself. In the past I could not do this, because of my skin colour.

Newsflash - gaining employment doesn't work like that. You cannot just assume that you'll get a job where you want. A lot of companies expect their employees to be literate.

The same is true of universities - they have entrance requirements.

 

[icyrus]

And this is the thanks we get......

Seriously, the ANC forgets anything that's not ANC and even then their memory is spotty....maybe it's the "zol"? (That would explain the paranoia too)

Rewriting history has always been a main part of the anc agenda.

 

[alloytoo]

Today I am free to work in company owned by a white person and use the money to go to university and empower myself. In the past I could not do this, because of my skin colour.

This was also true in the past. The ANC didn't give you anything you couldn't get before.

I remember before he died my grandfather told me a story of how he had been recently approached by a director of a listed company that he had worked for most of his life.

The director (a black man) thanked my grandfather for giving him his first clerical position in the company. The reason my grandfather originally did so was because he saw a literate young man with ambition who was being wasted in a menial position.

My grandfather retired in 1976.

 

[siphox]

Newsflash - gaining employment doesn't work like that. You cannot just assume that you'll get a job where you want. A lot of companies expect their employees to be literate.

The same is true of universities - they have entrance requirements.

Well thank God to the ANC, I have all this.

 

[siphox]

This was also true in the past. The ANC didn't give you anything you couldn't get before.

Did I hvae freedom to do what i want? No.
Could I come to the city and start my own business? No
Could I earn as much money as i wanted in live in mansion? NO
Could I associate with any race I chose without interference?NO
Could I go to a top-notch school?NO


I remember before he died my grandfather told me a story of how he had been recently approached by a director of a listed company that he had worked for most of his life.

The director (a black man) thanked my grandfather for giving him his first clerical position in the company. The reason my grandfather originally did so was because he saw a literate young man with ambition who was being wasted in a menial position.

My grandfather retired in 1976.

If this story is true, your grandfather does not deserve praise for being a good human being.
Remember before the arrival of whites in Africa, the black man was very very happy.
During apartheid many black people owned businesses-stokvels,taxi's, spazas and grocery shops, as long as they were in the segregated areas, however, thy could not participate in the major economy of the country. So their economic freedom was limited. Thats why we have such a huge informal sector.So black people do have skills and the cleverness to survive, but it was stifled by apartheid laws. Question, apartheid was so hard on blacks, a million times over than puny BEE and AA, why are you whining so much?

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

If this story is true, your grandfather does not deserve praise for being a good human being.

... why not, he gave him a chance when the order of the day was not to.

Remember before the arrival of whites in Africa, the black man was very very happy.

... ah, the old argument surfaces again.

 

[siphox]

You are completly oblivious to the fact that any post apartheid party would have allowed this, not just the ANC

But I only believe in the ANC, they have got international favour and are well known. And not everyone will do it like the ANC, BEE and AA are importatant and I dont hear, the FF plus or DA saying anything in support of it.

 

[dlk001]

Well thank God to the ANC, I have all this.

I personally thank God, my Parent, PAC and Steve Biko Foundation for my success so far!