Any ANC supporters on this forum?

[FarligOpptreden]

He says there is lack of co-operation between national, provincial and local government.

There's the problem right there - a screwed up government, led by an inadequate ruling party. Bring on the change in 2009 please...

 

[daveza]

Kothari did however note that there are gaps in the implementation of certain constitutional provisions when it comes to providing adequate housing to citizens. He says there is lack of co-operation between national, provincial and local government.

Which party runs the majority of these departments ?

 

[Hoof-Hearted]

April 24, 2007, 12:30
Miloon Kothari, the UN special rapporteur on adequate housing, says South Africa has made significant progress in ensuring that people's rights to adequate housing and other basic human rights are protected. Kothari has just completed a two-week tour of the country at the invitation of the government.
He visited Johannesburg, Pretoria, Kimberley, Polokwane, Durban, Cape Town and other areas. Kothari says the last 13 years of democratic rule have brought much change.
Kothari did however note that there are gaps in the implementation of certain constitutional provisions when it comes to providing adequate housing to citizens. He says there is lack of co-operation between national, provincial and local government.

Read the whole report here:
UNHCHR


Some highlights:

Nevertheless, a number of problems persist throughout the country. Few mechanisms are in place to ensure that well intentioned policies are implemented. The Special Rapporteur stressed that success cannot be measured merely through the number of houses built but also needs to take into account quality of housing and access to services, especially for the poor.

During his visit, the Special Rapporteur visited a number of informal settlements and was disturbed to see large numbers of people living desperate conditions, despite the plans of many municipalities for upgrading informal settlements.

Regardless of the origin of new settlements, as a result of large development projects, land restitution claims or the Reconstruction and Development Programme (RDP), the Special Rapporteur observed a failure at all levels of government to provide adequate post-settlement support. In many such cases, communities do not receive even the most basic support services, including proper sanitation, water, access to schools, and access to livelihood options. Moreover, there are few follow up support mechanisms such as regular maintenance or service repair facilities in cases of resettlement.

There also appears to be few accountability and monitoring mechanisms to ensure that public and private entities involved in the design and delivery of housing programmes and basic services are performing their functions in compliance with law, policy, and human rights standards.
In addition, certain features of cost-recovery policies - such as on allocating free water on a household rather than on individual basis- may jeopardize enjoyment of human rights and thus be possibly contrary to the provisions of the Constitution.

 

[siphox]

Why do you need BEE for education? The two concepts don't need to go together.

Economic empowerment requires education, sexwle didnt know anything about business before he was empowered, now he does.

 

[Sly21C]

If the black population was so well looked after by the ANC why do they live in squalor and resort to protest and road-blocks in order to bring attention to their plight ?
Why do they die of AIDS related diseases in their hundreds of thousands ?
Why do they get electricity from plugging into lamp-poles?

Well even though most of the ANC's policies are not working for benefit of the masses, I think it's ignorant to not expect squatter camps or make shift housing from people from the former Bantustans after influx control was done away with after democracy came into play. The squatter camps that you see around you are homes to people who come from rural areas and former Bantustans. During apartheid there were no squater camps simply because of the policy of influx control, meaning freedom of movement of blacks was extremely restricted.

 

[daveza]

http://www.capetown.dj/Regions/CapeFlats/Khayelitsha/Khayelitsha.html

In the early 1980's South Africa's apartheid government decided to move all 'legal' black people (people were defined as legal if they had had already lived in the area for ten years) from existing townships to a new township. The new township was called Khayelitsha which means 'New home'. At the same time the apartheid government planned to move all illegal people to Transkei, a homeland created in the eastern part of the country. People resisted this move and fighting broke out in townships between the government and people who lived there. This fighting caused people to move to Khayelitsha, saying they are forced to move to Khayelitsha because of the violence and moving to Khayelitsha was not their intention. It was exactly what the apartheid government wanted them to do.

Squatter camps originated with apartheid policy. They are not the result of the change of regime.

They are the same now as they were in 1994.

A little face-lift is being given to those near the national road in Cape Town.

We don't want our football tourists to see this as their first and last impression of our country.

 

[DJ...]

Economic empowerment requires education, sexwle didnt know anything about business before he was empowered, now he does.

I assume you're talking about Tokyo Sexwale, in which case I'd recommend you go and do some homework on the man. Unless of course his "empowerment" came in the 70s in Swaziland and Russia...

 

[Sly21C]

There will also never be adequate housing for the poor because of population growth. Slums and squatter camps will never be erradicated.

If there is one thing that makes me so angry about the ANC and why I have lost faith in them is them not realising that they are fighting a losing battle if they want to eradicate poverty and squatter camps, it's simply impossible. This country has a large number of poor people and in most cases poor people have more babies and these babies will want their own homes when they grow up and will therefore build a squatter camp somewhere in order to have a home and start their own families.

I really don't understand why the ANC can't see that the poor population will continue to grow from current levels. Maybe they do realise this but don't want to address this issue because it is unpopular and the ANC only implements populist decisions. I think they do realise this but don't want to act or address this issue (a growing poor population since the poorer you are the more likely you'll have a lot of babies) because they want the "poor" vote and they (ANC) know that most poor people will continue to vote for them for a very long time.

I wish the ANC can just make it illegal for a poor person or couple to have more than 1 baby. Sounds like a communist statement but I think charity begins at home.

 

[siphox]

Read the whole report here:
UNHCHR


Some highlights:

Black middle class totals 9.3m: study
Evan Pickworth, I-Net Bridge Published:Nov 13, 2008
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A study released by the Bureau of Market Research at the University of South Africa today estimates the size of South Africa’s emerging black middle class as 9.3 million in 2007 from 6.3 million in 2001.
The research also shows that the growth rate of the population of the emerging black middle class aged 16 years and over was 6.5% per annum during the period 2001-2007.
Females contributed about half the population of the emerging black middle class aged 16 years and over in 2007.
The report says that an emerging black middle class female has two to three children by the end of her reproductive life.
The research estimates that KwaZulu-Natal, Gauteng and Mpumalanga (in this order) accommodate the largest proportions of South Africa’s emerging black middle class.
The study was conducted by Professor Eric O Udjo, Research Professor of the Demographic Research Division of the BMR, with the middle class being defined as Africans/blacks aged 16 years and over and within Living Standards Measures 5-7.



April 24, 2007, 12:30
Miloon Kothari, the UN special rapporteur on adequate housing, says South Africa has made significant progress in ensuring that people's rights to adequate housing and other basic human rights are protected. Kothari has just completed a two-week tour of the country at the invitation of the government.
He visited Johannesburg, Pretoria, Kimberley, Polokwane, Durban, Cape Town and other areas. Kothari says the last 13 years of democratic rule have brought much change.
Kothari did however note that there are gaps in the implementation of certain constitutional provisions when it comes to providing adequate housing to citizens. He says there is lack of co-operation between national, provincial and local government.

 

[Tassidar]

Out of interest, Siphox, do you trust Zuma?

 

[Mila]

If there is one thing that makes me so angry about the ANC and why I have lost faith in them is them not realising that they are fighting a losing battle if they want to eradicate poverty and squatter camps, it's simply impossible. This country has a large number of poor people and in most cases poor people have more babies and these babies will want their own homes when they grow up and will therefore build a squatter camp somewhere in order to have a home and start their own families.

I really don't understand why the ANC can't see that the poor population will continue to grow from current levels. Maybe they do realise this but don't want to address this issue because it is unpopular and the ANC only implements populist decisions. I think they do realise this but don't want to act or address this issue (a growing poor population since the poorer you are the more likely you'll have a lot of babies) because they want the "poor" vote and they (ANC) know that most poor people will continue to vote for them for a very long time.

I wish the ANC can just make it illegal for a poor person or couple to have more than 1 baby. Sounds like a communist statement but I think charity begins at home.

Yah yahyah!!!!!!
+100000000000000

 

[siphox]

I assume you're talking about Tokyo Sexwale, in which case I'd recommend you go and do some homework on the man. Unless of course his "empowerment" came in the 70s in Swaziland and Russia...

Education does not end with the acquisition of a degree. He did not have practical education in running a business. When he started mvelaphandla he had to be guided and re-educated practically in business. In other words certain skills had to be transfered to him. Thats empowerment.

 

[Mila]

Black middle class totals 9.3m: study
Evan Pickworth, I-Net Bridge Published:Nov 13, 2008
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A study released by the Bureau of Market Research at the University of South Africa today estimates the size of South Africa’s emerging black middle class as 9.3 million in 2007 from 6.3 million in 2001.
The research also shows that the growth rate of the population of the emerging black middle class aged 16 years and over was 6.5% per annum during the period 2001-2007.
Females contributed about half the population of the emerging black middle class aged 16 years and over in 2007.
The report says that an emerging black middle class female has two to three children by the end of her reproductive life.
The research estimates that KwaZulu-Natal, Gauteng and Mpumalanga (in this order) accommodate the largest proportions of South Africa’s emerging black middle class.
The study was conducted by Professor Eric O Udjo, Research Professor of the Demographic Research Division of the BMR, with the middle class being defined as Africans/blacks aged 16 years and over and within Living Standards Measures 5-7.



April 24, 2007, 12:30
Miloon Kothari, the UN special rapporteur on adequate housing, says South Africa has made significant progress in ensuring that people's rights to adequate housing and other basic human rights are protected. Kothari has just completed a two-week tour of the country at the invitation of the government.
He visited Johannesburg, Pretoria, Kimberley, Polokwane, Durban, Cape Town and other areas. Kothari says the last 13 years of democratic rule have brought much change.
Kothari did however note that there are gaps in the implementation of certain constitutional provisions when it comes to providing adequate housing to citizens. He says there is lack of co-operation between national, provincial and local government.

Just a shame that 60% plus of these people have aids.

You do know that reports like these are cooked?

 

[EtienneK]

A little face-lift is being given to those near the national road in Cape Town.

We can do the same as what they do in Rio De Janeiro: Paint squatter camps bright colours and turn them into tourist attractions

 

[Hoof-Hearted]

Black middle class totals 9.3m: study

Errm... not sure what you're trying to get at here mate. What has the black middle class got to do with government's delivery of housing and basic services to the poor?

 

[siphox]

There's the problem right there - a screwed up government, led by an inadequate ruling party. Bring on the change in 2009 please...

The ANC does recognize its weaknesses and they are being addressed. We will even implement changes after the elections: Read this:

"But you would also need other senior ministers in that council of state - and the treasury, one assumes, would also be part of the council of state," said Cronin.

He said that the idea was not to take the power to allocate the budget away from the treasury. Cronin said the reason for restructuring cabinet clusters - introduced during the term of former president Thabo Mbeki - was that they had been ineffective.

"The point is that we need to align and make sure that budgetary allocations are not the monopoly of treasury. Budgetary allocations would also be informed by treasury, but at the same time one needs those allocations to be based on a developmental plan.

 

[Hoof-Hearted]

Education does not end with the acquisition of a degree. He did not have practical education in running a business. When he started mvelaphandla he had to be guided and re-educated practically in business. In other words certain skills had to be transfered to him. Thats empowerment.

What skills might those be? Tokyo Sexwale was and still is a very "connected" gentleman. An investment banker came along and suggested a way of leveraging these connections in order to make huge amounts of tin through shrewd financing of "empowerment" deals. You'll find that said investment banker is still a senior director of Mvela and that whenever a big deal as it were comes along, Mvela is one of the "preferred" empowerment partners

 

[Hoof-Hearted]

The ANC does recognize its weaknesses and they are being addressed. We will even implement changes after the elections: Read this:

"But you would also need other senior ministers in that council of state - and the treasury, one assumes, would also be part of the council of state," said Cronin.

He said that the idea was not to take the power to allocate the budget away from the treasury. Cronin said the reason for restructuring cabinet clusters - introduced during the term of former president Thabo Mbeki - was that they had been ineffective.

"The point is that we need to align and make sure that budgetary allocations are not the monopoly of treasury. Budgetary allocations would also be informed by treasury, but at the same time one needs those allocations to be based on a developmental plan.

Glad to see you've got old jeremy's comments highlighted in RED

 

[shadowfox]

The ANC does recognize its weaknesses and they are being addressed. We will even implement changes after the elections: Read this:

There ... he just proves he works for the ANC

 

[Mila]

The ANC does recognize its weaknesses and they are being addressed. We will even implement changes after the elections: Read this:

"But you would also need other senior ministers in that council of state - and the treasury, one assumes, would also be part of the council of state," said Cronin.

He said that the idea was not to take the power to allocate the budget away from the treasury. Cronin said the reason for restructuring cabinet clusters - introduced during the term of former president Thabo Mbeki - was that they had been ineffective.

"The point is that we need to align and make sure that budgetary allocations are not the monopoly of treasury. Budgetary allocations would also be informed by treasury, but at the same time one needs those allocations to be based on a developmental plan.

I smell Zuma's pom pom girl in the forum...