Any Anti-Vaccine People on MyBB?

[porchrat]

That's what I thought. The mercury result in that test is an order of magnitude below the safe limit though.

Yea but it probably still causes autism, better ban whatever that substance was to be sure

Out of interest the process they used to get that result is a form of mass spectrometry where they charge the sample (usually by bombarding it with electrons). The components of the sample then ionise (become charged particles for lack of a better term) and are passed through a sort of ionic filter that slows their passage depending upon their charge and mass. Basically it stretches the sample's components out so they each pass through the detectors at a different rate, thus allowing us to isolate them. We know of course through experience which components will pass through at a particular time. So this way we identify what is in the sample by what passes through at what time and how much of it is in the sample by how intense the reading is.

 

[BCO]

Yea.

Out of interest the process they used to get that result is a form of mass spectromtry where they charge the sample (usually by bombarding it with electrons). The components of the sample then ionise (become charged particles for lack of a better term) and are passed through a sort of ionic filter that slows their passage depending upon their charge and mass. Basically it stretches the sample's components out so they each pass through the detectors at a different rate, thus allowing us to isolate them. We know of course through experience which components will pass through at a particular time. So this way we identify what is in the sample by what passes through at what time and how much of it is in the sample by how intense the reading is.

Interesting, thanks.

 

[Cray]

Pleasure. I really dont have an agenda here. not looking to make enemies, nor start a fight. Just engage in a discussion
Appreciate your "thanks"

No need to be uncivil just because we disagree

 

[porchrat]

Interesting, thanks.

Sounds interesting yes but is boring to do trust me. Put in machine, press button, result comes out the other end.

 

[BCO]

Sounds interesting yes but is boring to do trust me. Put in machine, press button, result comes out the other end.

Hehe. For someone like me, who had no idea how the results were even generated, it was quite interesting. I'm sure I wouldn't like to be doing it all day though.

 

[PhleeBag]

Called ICP-MS

Interesting, thanks.

 

[porchrat]

You realise you're arguing with a complete idiot who has no experience nor tertiary level of education in this field, whilst you do? Banging your head against a wall would have the same outcome.

You have a point.

The idiocy of anti-vaccine movements is damaging though. I don't want people to start thinking this guy has a point. Next thing you know they stop vaccinating their kids and people die.

 

[Bar0n]

Next thing you know they stop vaccinating their kids and people die.

I feel sorry for the kids, but that's how nature cleans up the gene pool.

 

[PhleeBag]

Interestingly I have quoted clients on CRAY computers before. Sale was not CRAY unfortunately.

No need to be uncivil just because we disagree

 

[porchrat]

I feel sorry for the kids, but that's how nature cleans up the gene pool.

As a plus though there would be less autism.

I mean... because there would be less kids and all...

 

[SmartKit]

Talking about the Japanese trial where they replaced one vaccine with others? Clever one...

Do you like iron lungs, cos that's how you get iron lungs?

 

[ScottulusMaximus]

Woohoo! It's back, just in time for fri!

 

[SauRoNZA]

"Anti-vaxxers on the other hand are idiots and should be prosecuted under child endangerment laws. "

wow...

After YEARS of research one finds the case quite cut and dry. But if you only regurgitate the arguments by those who make billions out of their "safe" product being forced on billions of people then you will not see the point - ever... until one day your kid comes back from the doctor never to be the same again. (know 5 close to whom this happened)

Why is there a billions of dollars vaccination compensation fund?

How do vaccines really work?
http://www.vaccinedecision.info/cgi-bin/viewcontent.cgi?article_id=18

Do the companies who make them lie at all?
http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/documents/Merck-False-Claims-Act.pdf (its a court document, just hosted by NN)

Does the MMR cause autism? Courts ruled YES.

Do your own research and see what you find.

Name calling does not make you look better or more authoritative. It makes you look like a bully who is hiding his lack of knowledge on the topic behind a show of strength.

I would simply argue those children were "faulty" to begin with and if the vaccination didn't get them, something else would have.

When you remove the emotion from the immediate concern you often find clarity more easily.

 

[noxibox]

Considering there's now no mercury in the vaccine, vaccine rates have lowered, and anti-vaccine campaigners have proliferated, while autism rates appear to have gone up, I would suggest that one or all of those things cause autism. Therefore to fight off autism we must put mercury back, increase vaccination rates and ban campaigning against vaccines.

 

[Aghori]

I thought vaccines caused atheism? Why are we still shooting ourselves up with these godless creations?!?!

 

[hellfire]

This thread got off to a slow start, but certainly picked up the pace

 

[STS]

I would simply argue those children were "faulty" to begin with and if the vaccination didn't get them, something else would have.

When you remove the emotion from the immediate concern you often find clarity more easily.

see, this is the only time i fall off the pro-vaccine bandwagon and get critical of arguments like this, and that is why i began this thread highlighting that a vaccine that ****s up a life is nothing to scoff at.

these "faulty" kids could have lived the rest of their lives or at LEAST a couple more years had that not received the shot. should kids stop getting vaccines because of this? no, but saying that the morality rate is acceptable for the greater good isn't a good way of building an argument, any more than anti-vaxxors saying that they haven't gotten sick YET

 

[SauRoNZA]

see, this is the only time i fall off the pro-vaccine bandwagon and get critical of arguments like this, and that is why i began this thread highlighting that a vaccine that ****s up a life is nothing to scoff at.

these "faulty" kids could have lived the rest of their lives or at LEAST a couple more years had that not received the shot. should kids stop getting vaccines because of this? no, but saying that the morality rate is acceptable for the greater good isn't a good way of building an argument, any more than anti-vaxxors saying that they haven't gotten sick YET

Yeah I get exactly where you are coming from and there should be more regulation and testing in place I agree.

It will always be a sensitive topic.

 

[Nanfeishen]

Yeah I get exactly where you are coming from and there should be more regulation and testing in place I agree.

Testing is the biggest issue it seems WRT vaccines, as well as timing of the tests and vaccine administration , also it seems the lack of studies regarding ill effects especially focusing on the late onset of contraindications or the long term negative effects of vaccines.

I am not opposed to vaccination, but i am opposed to the random willy nilly administration of any medication on a large scale by anybody or organisation by use of fear mongering tactics.

Conflicts Of Interest in Vaccine safety research :
http://www.theoneclickgroup.co.uk/d... in Vaccine Safety Research, Gayle DeLong.pdf

Interesting Survey done by the Dutch Association for Conscientious Vaccination on differences between full vaccinated and unvaccinated health issues in first 5 years.
http://www.thinktwice.com/Dutch.pdf

Neurologic adverse events following vaccination

The mechanism of immune response to various types of vaccine antigens, especially to antigens in multicomponent vaccines, is not fully understood and researched

http://www.mednat.org/vaccini/danni_neurologici_vaccini.pdf

What i find very disturbing is the Autism, ADHD scenario in general.

And yes i know all the "not linked" arguments etc etc, however what i find disturbing is the age for Child development testing on Autism is in the 18 to 24 month period , while ADHD is done roughly age 4 (youngest) to 6.

Now up to 18 months of age there are a number of vaccines given, and up to age 4 even more.

vaccination schedule
http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/pages/vaccination-schedule-age-checklist.aspx

The conclusivity expressed in the "not linked" arguments is questionable and tenuous at best, considering the tests are given after the fact.

 

[noxibox]

Autism and ADHD are tested for at the earliest age it is possible to be able to detect symptoms. We don't however know that the occurrence rates of either have increased. We know they're diagnosed more often, which is not the same thing. If however they do occur more often today there might be a variety of possible influences at play and there is simply no particular reason to focus on vaccines. Vaccines though push all the right buttons - they're technology, they're medicine, they're made by pharmaceutical companies, the government wants everyone who can to get them. It's enough to make a conspiracy theorist's head explode.

The standard set of childhood vaccines are in fact well-tested. In fact one of the complaints made by those opposed to vaccination is that it has been an experiment carried out on our children. If so it has been a very successful one with negative consequences far lower than those of the diseases the vaccinations prevent. Ultimately not vaccinating does not mean greater safety, it just means choosing to risk exposure to dangerous and deadly diseases.