Any Anti-Vaccine People on MyBB?

Swa

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A recent tragedy in Utah should make the public ask what health officials actually know about vaccine reactions. It also raises the question of just how far are they willing to go to protect the vaccine program. A number of news outlets in Utah reported that a healthy 19 year old young man went to his doctor for a physical on October 15. He received a flu vaccine and a test for TB and by the next day he was seriously ill with vomiting and a severe headache. Twenty-four hours later he was in a coma and 28 days later, after life support was removed, he died.
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http://www.ageofautism.com/2013/11/...bs-death-raises-vaccine-safety-questions.html

So an Encephalopathy has to be severe enough to require hospitalisation or persist for more than 6 months before it is considered an encephalopathy. Strange way of fudging the result to make it seem like a rare reaction. For every person that has a severe reaction there is usually many more that have less severe reactions. The question of how many people develop less severe or unnoticeable encephalopathy seriously has to be considered here. We know encephalopathy is linked to autism but we don't know what effect less pronounced brain swelling has on a developing brain.
 
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I took my son for his vaccinations.

Nothing happened.

Woo Woo

Objective achieved.
 
porchrat

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alloytoo said:
I took my son for his vaccinations.

Nothing happened.

Woo Woo

Objective achieved.
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Don't be too confident, the autism is coming. Heck your kid's face might even melt right off. Who knows with these vaccines. Mercury.
 
Swa

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Funny how people making money off medicine aren't labeled as opportunistic turds. :rolleyes:
 
porchrat

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alloytoo said:
Not funny at all, research and development of future medicines needs to be funded.
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Yea how dare people make money off of offering a service that has been demonstrated to provide therapeutic benefit! :mad:

Rather be like the Health Ranger, distributing a carefully constructed mixture of half truths and lies to generate fear and distrust so that he can exploit it by selling Y2K survival products.
 
ISP cash cow

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Some people around here should do their homework rather than post uninformed junk like this. Vaccines can give you flu and you don't need to get it from the vaccine itself. Most flu symptoms are from immune response and not from a virus. When your body encounters a vaccine it goes through the same response as with the live virus so you can develop the same symptoms and this is well documented. It usually doesn't last as long as with a "live" replicating virus but it can be just as severe. For the people who get a more severe flu later on this could be due to the fact that the immune system is taxed by the vaccine and not being an endless resource their body can't fight the real viruses.
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yep some people should get educated

Directly from the CDC website

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/misconceptions.htm

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm#flu

To make it easier for you I have just taken out some snippets for you and bolded the important parts, but I suppose the CDC don't know what they are talking about and/or just in big pharma's pocket. :whistling:

Influenza (inactivated) vaccine side-effects

What are the risks from inactivated influenza vaccine?

With a vaccine, like any medicine, there is a chance of side effects. These are usually mild and go away on their own.
Problems that could happen after any vaccine:

Brief fainting spells can happen after any medical procedure, including vaccination. Sitting or lying down for about 15 minutes can help prevent fainting, and injuries caused by a fall. Tell your doctor if you feel dizzy, or have vision changes or ringing in the ears.

Severe shoulder pain and reduced range of motion in the arm where a shot was given can happen, very rarely, after a vaccination.

Severe allergic reactions from a vaccine are very rare, estimated at less than 1 in a million doses. If one were to occur, it would usually be within a few minutes to a few hours after the vaccination.
Mild problems following inactivated flu vaccine:
soreness, redness, or swelling where the shot was given
hoarseness
sore, red or itchy eyes
cough
fever
aches
headache
itching
fatigue
If these problems occur, they usually begin soon after the shot and last 1 or 2 days.
Moderate problems following inactivated flu vaccine:
Young children who get inactivated flu vaccine and pneumococcal vaccine (PCV13) at the same time may be at increased risk for seizures caused by fever. Ask your doctor for more information. Tell your doctor if a child who is getting flu vaccine has ever had a seizure.
Inactivated flu vaccine does not contain live flu virus, so you cannot get the flu from this vaccine.

Influenza (live) vaccine side-effects
What are the risks from LAIV?

With a vaccine, like any medicine, there is a chance of side effects. These are usually mild and go away on their own.
Problems that could happen after any vaccine:
Severe allergic reactions from a vaccine are very rare, estimated at less than 1 in a million doses. If one were to occur, it would usually be within a few minutes to a few hours after the vaccination.
Mild problems that have been reported following LAIV:
Children and adolescents 2-17 years of age:
runny nose, nasal congestion or cough
fever
headache and muscle aches
wheezing
abdominal pain or occasional vomiting or diarrhea
Adults 18-49 years of age:
runny nose or nasal congestion
sore throat
cough, chills, tiredness/weakness
headache
LAIV is made from weakened virus and does not cause flu.
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The reaction to the vaccine you are talking about is probably people being allergic to the vaccine which can happen.

Vaccines can give you flu and you don't need to get it from the vaccine itself.
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Also this quote doesn't even make sense. So the vaccine gives you the flu but you don't get it from the vaccine? :confused:
 
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ISP cash cow said:
yep some people should get educated

Directly from the CDC website

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/misconceptions.htm

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm#flu

To make it easier for you I have just taken out some snippets for you and bolded the important parts, but I suppose the CDC don't know what they are talking about and/or just in big pharma's pocket. :whistling:



The reaction to the vaccine you are talking about is probably people being allergic to the vaccine which can happen.



Also this quote doesn't even make sense. So the vaccine gives you the flu but you don't get it from the vaccine? :confused:
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Dude, Swa is a immunologist didn't you know that.
 
porchrat

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ISP cash cow said:
yep some people should get educated

Directly from the CDC website

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/misconceptions.htm

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm#flu

To make it easier for you I have just taken out some snippets for you and bolded the important parts, but I suppose the CDC don't know what they are talking about and/or just in big pharma's pocket. :whistling:



The reaction to the vaccine you are talking about is probably people being allergic to the vaccine which can happen.



Also this quote doesn't even make sense. So the vaccine gives you the flu but you don't get it from the vaccine? :confused:
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Additional information: attenuated vaccines, as mentioned in the quoted post, involve using a weakened form of the pathogen. Ever wondered how they make that weakened pathogen? One way is to pass the pathogen through some other species a whole bunch of times. So they infect like a pig or something and they just keep infecting pig after pig after pig. During this process the pathogen mutates to become a better pathogen in pigs. It gets better and better at infecting pigs and at being transferred from pig to pig. However in doing this the pathogen usually loses its effectiveness with regards to humans. Pass the pathogen from pig to pig enough times and eventually it can't cause the disease in humans any longer, but it still retains antigenic sites (the molecular areas of a pathogen that illicit an immune response (antigen = antibody generator)) comparable to the original pathogen so still gives you immunity to that original pathogen when you are exposed.

The other ways are using tissue cultures and eggs but that doesn't seem nearly as cool to me as using live animals.
 
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