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Swa said:
It just seems like another double standard.
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What? That people who invest billions of dollars in research and development should get a return enabling them to develop the next generation of remedies.

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Website Crackpot who threatens to undo decades of improved health through unsubstantiated rubbish?
 
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ISP cash cow said:
yep some people should get educated

Directly from the CDC website

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/misconceptions.htm

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm#flu

To make it easier for you I have just taken out some snippets for you and bolded the important parts, but I suppose the CDC don't know what they are talking about and/or just in big pharma's pocket. :whistling:



The reaction to the vaccine you are talking about is probably people being allergic to the vaccine which can happen.
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Did you even read that properly? It confirms what I said. It lists allergy as a side effect. Allergies usually present in the form of rashes or prophylaxis. Those are not the reactions I am talking about. In addition to allergy it also lists other side effects like coughing and sore throat. These are the exact same symptoms as flu itself and it isn't surprising considering the vaccine tricks the body into fighting the virus without a live version being present.

ISP cash cow said:
Also this quote doesn't even make sense. So the vaccine gives you the flu but you don't get it from the vaccine? :confused:
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Perhaps I should have worded it better. In medicine there is such a thing as causes. While the flu vaccine doesn't supply a replicating flu virus it can cause a virus your body is successfully able to fight otherwise to replicate and cause disease. This is a documented phenomenon. People who have infection are more susceptible to secondary infections because their immune system is taxed. The vaccine uses exactly the same system to accomplish immunity so it also taxes your immune system and exposes you to risk of other infections.
 
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alloytoo said:
What? That people who invest billions of dollars in research and development should get a return enabling them to develop the next generation of remedies.

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Website Crackpot who threatens to undo decades of improved health through unsubstantiated rubbish?
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That one side is allowed to make a living but you won't afford the other side the same. You are also ignoring the bad track record of the pharmaceutical industry.
 
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Swa said:
That one side is allowed to make a living but you won't afford the other side the same.
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One side has added considerably to our longevity and quality of life. The others are con artists



You are also ignoring the bad track record of the pharmaceutical industry.
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Considering Vaccines alone, the pharmaceutical industry's contribution to longevity and quality of life far outweighs the mistakes that occasionally plague human endeavor.
 
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http://www.thelocal.de/20150312/doctor-proves-measles-virus

Back in 2011, biologist and vaccination sceptic Stefan Lanka posted a notice on the internet saying that if anyone could send him scientific evidence proving the measles virus, he would pay them €100,000.

This is exactly what doctor David Bardens did, emailing the biologist a comprehensive study published in a renowned journal on the measles virus.

However Lanka then refused to pay the sum, which is why the matter ended up in court. On Thursday the regional court in Ravensburg in southern Germany ruled that the sceptic must cough up because all the criteria of his advertisement have been fulfilled.
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lol
 
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Swa said:
Did you even read that properly? It confirms what I said. It lists allergy as a side effect. Allergies usually present in the form of rashes or prophylaxis. Those are not the reactions I am talking about. In addition to allergy it also lists other side effects like coughing and sore throat. These are the exact same symptoms as flu itself and it isn't surprising considering the vaccine tricks the body into fighting the virus without a live version being present.
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Yes I did read it properly and it does not confirm what you are saying. You are agreeing with the fact that Flu Vaccines can give you the Flu, the article stipulates that it cannot do that. Showing similar symptoms does not mean that you have the flu or other virus (for which you have taken the vaccine for). In the rare occasions that people do get symptoms of coughing and sore throat could also mean you have streptococcus infection (strep throat) it could also mean that the big penis you had in your mouth last night was just a little bit to big for you and hurt the inside of your mouth, or the more probable cause is due to a slight allergic reaction (which I have mentioned before) to the vaccine since allergens are also based on antigen properties which causes the antibodies in the body to kick into overdrive and before you say it NO... vaccines are not the same as allergens.


Swa said:
Perhaps I should have worded it better. In medicine there is such a thing as causes. While the flu vaccine doesn't supply a replicating flu virus it can cause a virus your body is successfully able to fight otherwise to replicate and cause disease. This is a documented phenomenon. People who have infection are more susceptible to secondary infections because their immune system is taxed. The vaccine uses exactly the same system to accomplish immunity so it also taxes your immune system and exposes you to risk of other infections.
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OK to understand your wording here - once again it is still confusing me because either you are not getting your point across clearly or you are just regurgitating the same garbage you mentioned before.

We have distinguished that vaccines do not give you the virus (I have posted documented evidence of this from CDC site), Yet you still state

While the flu vaccine doesn't supply a replicating flu virus it can cause a virus your body is successfully able to fight otherwise to replicate and cause disease
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what virus does the vaccine give to your body?

Where are these documents that state that this is a documented phenomenon? I tried googling for it but I cannot find any cases (within recent vaccines) that show this phenomenon where the vaccines can cause you to get a virus. I am seriously interested because this would be interesting to share with my immunology laboratory based customers and see what their thoughts are on this.
 
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Swa needs to read more. His understanding of immunology is woefully inadequate.
 
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PhleeBag said:
Wow, now facts come from the Joker... how ironic!
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Vaccines/HPV/jama.html - "There were a total of 12,424 reports to VAERS of adverse events following HPV vaccination through December 2008"
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OK just to point this out 12 424 out of 23 million is 0.05%.

Thanks sgain Phleebag for demonstrating that the HPV vaccines is pretty damn safe. Safer than aspirin if memory serves.

You know you should start a crazed loon campaign against aspirin too Phlee.
 
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because I am obviously a shill for someone who makes thousands of dollars (very stupid of me not to rather support the 100 billion dollar vaccine industry) I must post the next good/fun/flame read.
Just to keep porchrat in the money you know, because it looks like he works for the big bux guys.

http://www.naturalnews.com/048974_vaccines_culture_war_medical_tyranny.html

Everyone stand back as shill porchrat floods the forum with noise so this "info" gets flooded with his wisdom.
 
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PhleeBag said:
because I am obviously a shill for someone who makes thousands of dollars (very stupid of me not to rather support the 100 billion dollar vaccine industry) I must post the next good/fun/flame read.
Just to keep porchrat in the money you know, because it looks like he works for the big bux guys.

http://www.naturalnews.com/048974_vaccines_culture_war_medical_tyranny.html
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Yay more Naturalnews!! Keep clicking, the Health Ranger wants to add another zero to his account balance. Buy some Y2K safety protection products while you're at it. Maybe some of those balance bracelets too. Jet fuel can't melt steel beams guys! :D

BTW I highly doubt the Health Ranger only makes thousands of dollars. Hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars more likely considering the scale of his operation. He has his fingers in pretty much every conspiracy theorist whackaloon pie out there.
 
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