Any Anti-Vaccine People on MyBB?

[dualmeister]

Not "naturalnews".

Not reliable I'm guessing?

 

[BCO]

Not reliable I'm guessing?

They're hardly a reputable medical journal, let's put it that way. Did you read the comic in the OP?

 

[Cray]

Not reliable I'm guessing?

Why guess, read the lunacy for yourself

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NaturalNews

promotion of alternative medicine, (often controversial) nutrition claims,[4] and various conspiracy theories,[5] such as "chemtrails",[6] the purported dangers of fluoride in drinking water[7] (as well as those of monosodium glutamate[8] and aspartame), and purported health problems caused by "toxic" ingredients in vaccines,[4] including the now-discredited link to autism.[9]

chemtrails.....

:erm:

edit: Eish

Michael Allen "Mike" Adams (born 1967 in Lawrence, Kansas),[16] the self-described "Health Ranger", is the founder and owner of NaturalNews. According to his own website his interest in alternative nutrition was sparked by developing type II diabetes at the age of 30 and "completely curing" himself using natural remedies.[2] He is a raw foods enthusiast and holistic nutritionist. He claims to eat no processed foods, dairy, sugar, meat from mammals or food products containing additives such as MSG.[2] He also says he avoids use of prescription drugs and visits to Western medical doctors.[17]

Adams is an AIDS denialist,[18] a 9/11 truther,[19] a birther[20] and endorsed conspiracy theories surrounding the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting,[21] as well as surrounding the Deepwater Horizon oil spill[22] and Malaysia Airlines Flight 370.[23

edit2: It gets worse and worse...

On August 11, 2014, NaturalNews published a blog post promoting a homeopathic treatment for Ebola, which was met with harsh criticism from several commentators, and was taken down later that day.[46] In a statement on the article, NaturalNews said that the blogger who posted the article, Ken Oftedal, was "under review" and that they did not condone anyone interacting with Ebola.[47] However, as of August 20, the site was still featuring an article written by Adams promoting the use of herbal medicines to treat Ebola.[48] In an article about "fake Ebola cures", Adams was criticized for arguing that herbs could prove effective as an Ebola treatment.[49]

 

[BCO]

They're hardly a reputable medical journal, let's put it that way. Did you read the comic in the OP?

Lol I just realised the irony of my post...

 

[Ancalagon]

http://www.naturalnews.com/048391_measles_MMR_vaccines_Disneyland.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/048402_measles_vaccine_scientific_fraud_court_documents.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/048265_chickenpox_mandatory_vaccinations_South_Korea.html

So who do you believe

Natural News is, well, junk.

David Gorski of ScienceBlogs called the site "one of the most wretched hives of scum and quackery on the Internet," and the most "blatant purveyor of the worst kind of quackery and paranoid anti-physician and anti-medicine conspiracy theories anywhere on the Internet",[30] and a one-stop-shop for "virtually every quackery known to humankind, all slathered with a heaping, helping of unrelenting hostility to science-based medicine and science in general."[10] Peter Bowditch of the website Ratbags,[31] and Jeff McMahon writing for Forbes commented about the site.[32] Steven Novella of NeuroLogica Blog called NaturalNews "a crank alt med site that promotes every sort of medical nonsense imaginable." Novella continued: "If it is unscientific, antiscientific, conspiracy-mongering, or downright silly, Mike Adams appears to be all for it – whatever sells the "natural" products he hawks on his site."[4]
Individuals who commented about Adams' website include astronomer and blogger Phil Plait,[33] PZ Myers,[34] and Mark Hoofnagle.[20] Brian Dunning listed it as #1 on his "Top 10 Worst Anti-Science Websites" list.[35] Adams is listed as a "promoter of questionable methods" by Quackwatch.[36] Robert T. Carroll at The Skeptic's Dictionary said, "Natural News is not a very good source for information. If you don't trust me on this, go to Respectful Insolence or any of the other bloggers on ScienceBlogs and do a search for "Natural News" or "Mike Adams" (who is NaturalNews). Hundreds of entries will be found and not one of them will have a good word to say about Mike Adams as a source."[37]
Vaccine said the site "tend(s) to not only spread irresponsible health information in general (e.g. discouraging chemotherapy or radiation for cancer treatment, antiretrovirals for HIV, and insulin for diabetes), but also have large sections with dubious information on vaccines."[38]
After Patrick Swayze's death in 2009, Adams posted an article in which he remarked that Swayze, in dying, "joins many other celebrities who have been recently killed by pharmaceuticals or chemotherapy."[39] Commentators of Adams' article on Patrick Swayze included bloggers such as David Gorski[40] and Phil Plait, the latter of whom called Adams' commentary "obnoxious and loathsome."[41] When Angelina Jolie underwent a double mastectomy in May 2013 because she had the BRCA1 gene, Adams stated that "Countless millions of women carry the BRCA1 gene and never express breast cancer because they lead healthy, anti-cancer lifestyles based on smart nutrition, exercise, sensible sunlight exposure and avoidance of cancer-causing chemicals."[42] Gorski called the article "vile" and noted that Adams had written similarly themed articles about the death of Michael Jackson, Tony Snow, and Tim Russert.[43]
In February 2014, Brian Palmer, writing in the Daily Herald of Arlington Heights, Illinois, criticized the site's promotion of alternative medicine treatments, such as bathing in Himalayan salt and eating Hijiki seaweed, and referred to the claims NaturalNews made about their efficacy as "preposterous."[44] In August 2014, Nathanael Johnson, writing for Grist, dismissed Natural News as "simply not credible" and as "nothing but a conspiracy-theory site."[45]

 

[BCO]

Natural News is, well, junk.

Everyone you just mentioned are all Big Pharma shills protecting The Man. WAKE UP SHEEPLE.

 

[Nick333]

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...ildren-disabled-by-vaccinations-28116684.html



http://www.standard.co.uk/news/85000-for-parents-of-mmr-victim-7168650.html



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ow-MMR-cover-say-parents-tragic-toddlers.html



now i am not against vaccines, and there are two sides to this. there are those who are opposed to vaccines despite their amazing track record, and there are those that think ANY resistance is a sign that you're a loon. 99% of vaccines are safe, and we've reached the point in our society where they are even safer than before, but don't treat the people who have lost children to bad batches as if they're the same as crackpots and crazies - they've lost an important part of their lives.

how would you have felt differently about your daughter if she was dead now because someone contaminated a batch or someone told you that a fever and swelling was normal? it makes no difference to how successful vaccines are, to those people now their lives are ruined, and they want to stop other people from losing their loved ones.

people must just look at it realistically and people should be held accountable. there is a reason people sign forms relieving doctors of responsibility any time they go in for surgery, it should be the same for when administrating medication or vaccines to kids.

my son is fully vaccinated, but every case or situation is unique

I understand that grief can make people behave stupidly but, behaving stupidly is still behaving stupidly. £2 million in payouts indicates a really tiny percentage of bad side effects. Compared to the literary millions of deaths that have been prevented by vaccinations it's side effects are statistically non - existent.
Of course every death of a child is a tragedy but, people trying to avoid deaths from vaccination side effects are actually advocating the death of millions. Do you have any idea what the childhood mortality rate prior to vaccinations? It was something like 50%. Anyone anti vaccination is pro that. And that is very stupid whatever your reasons.

 

[Nick333]

The debate is about as relevant as whether cars are safe because someone's child died in one once.

Well put.

 

[Nick333]

and as relevant as saying people who make unsafe cars should be responsible for the lives they put at danger, especially when they advertise their cars as "safe".

perhaps car manufacturers should mention that their cars are safe, but your seatbelt may lock up or the airbag may not inflate 100% of the time due to not adequate and thorough testing

edit:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_General_Motors_recall



it's not to advocate NOT driving cars, it's to bring to people's attention the risks and to empathise with people who HAVE suffered

But, they so advocate "not driving cars".

It's like saying don't drive a car, it might have a dangerous manufacturing fault. Of course it could, some do and we still drive cars.

What these people are advocating is a risk free existence without considering that that is an impossibility.

 

[STS]

I understand that grief can make people behave stupidly but, behaving stupidly is still behaving stupidly. £2 million in payouts indicates a really tiny percentage of bad side effects. Compared to the literary millions of deaths that have been prevented by vaccinations it's side effects are statistically non - existent.
Of course every death of a child is a tragedy but, people trying to avoid deaths from vaccination side effects are actually advocating the death of millions. Do you have any idea what the childhood mortality rate prior to vaccinations? It was something like 50%. Anyone anti vaccination is pro that. And that is very stupid whatever your reasons.

as i said, it's not solely vaccines that are responsible for improved health, that would be like suggesting airbags are responsible for less fatalities on the roads. they ARE doing good, but there are other avenues that all combine to improve overall health, vaccines being one of them, hygiene being another, and healthy food/drinking water/hospitals&health care being another.

i'm not advocating people NOT getting vaccines, but as with general motors recalling almost a million vehicles which are stock standard and identical, imagine the complexity of humans and their needs, environments, etc.

1 in a million death due to vaccines still adds up if you take the population of the world into account, and it's easy to say "it's for the greater good" coz it's not our kid.

expose the charlatans and crooks, but don't forget that there ARE side effects and it is a complicated issue, no matter how good intentions are, someone is responsible for a kid dying one day and who that is, is up for debate

 

[ScottulusMaximus]

Be nice to STS today ppl, he's actually making a decent, valid, well constructed and relevant point for once it's a big step for him.

Anti-vaxxers on the other hand are idiots and should be prosecuted under child endangerment laws.

 

[STS]

Well put.

But, they so advocate "not driving cars".

you say it's well said then confirm it's not a valid comparison?

It's like saying don't drive a car, it might have a dangerous manufacturing fault. Of course it could, some do and we still drive cars.

What these people are advocating is a risk free existence without considering that that is an impossibility.

it differs, just because people want something irrational doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss the topic. we can debate flaws in evolution and morality without having to bring religion or crazies into it

we DO still drive cars, and we DO still take vaccines, but if you get sent home by the nurse that evening and by the next day you're dead, what do they tell your family? "oops, sorry, it was 1 in a million, at least the rest of us are really healthy." it would be exactly the same for the car, if you discover that the car was the reason for your child's death, what action would you take? both vaccines and cars are a necessity for living in the modern world.

companies have been paying out victims, but i've yet to see someone be locked up for either fault, be it car or vaccine

 

[STS]

Be nice to STS today ppl, he's actually making a decent, valid, well constructed and relevant point for once it's a big step for him.

Anti-vaxxers on the other hand are idiots and should be prosecuted under child endangerment laws.

thank you and screw you

edit: it's actually better to say that i'm trying to improve

 

[noxibox]

Not reliable I'm guessing?

If they were any more stupid they'd need assistance dressing themselves.

OK, but then how do you respond to something like this?

http://vactruth.com/2014/12/12/10-reasons-not-to-vaccinate/

They should change the domain name to vaclies.com

The problem was that vaccines were not that profitable, particularly not in a society like the US where people sue for anything and everything. The vaccine court and a levy on each vaccine sold to cover compensation for injuries were established to encourage companies not to drop out of the vaccine business.

Claims that no controlled studies have been done is asking us to do unethical medical testing where tell people their children have vaccinated, but give them a placebo to see who gets sick. In the field though every outbreak caused by these anti-vaccine whackjobs invariably involves far greater percentages of the unvaccinated getting sick, which reasonably indicates that vaccines probably work.

And this at the bottom:

Michelle Goldstein is a mental health therapist who is passionate about holistic health and healing. She has published articles for Natural News, VacTruth and Kelly the Kitchen Kop.

is a dead give away you're dealing with a crackpot.

 

[PhleeBag]

"Anti-vaxxers on the other hand are idiots and should be prosecuted under child endangerment laws. "

wow...

After YEARS of research one finds the case quite cut and dry. But if you only regurgitate the arguments by those who make billions out of their "safe" product being forced on billions of people then you will not see the point - ever... until one day your kid comes back from the doctor never to be the same again. (know 5 close to whom this happened)

Why is there a billions of dollars vaccination compensation fund?

How do vaccines really work?
http://www.vaccinedecision.info/cgi-bin/viewcontent.cgi?article_id=18

Do the companies who make them lie at all?
http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/documents/Merck-False-Claims-Act.pdf (its a court document, just hosted by NN)

Does the MMR cause autism? Courts ruled YES.

Do your own research and see what you find.

Name calling does not make you look better or more authoritative. It makes you look like a bully who is hiding his lack of knowledge on the topic behind a show of strength.

 

[Ancalagon]

Lol we got one!

Its like fishing - sooner or later you catch something interesting!

 

[Cray]

"Anti-vaxxers on the other hand are idiots and should be prosecuted under child endangerment laws. "

wow...

After YEARS of research one finds the case quite cut and dry. But if you only regurgitate the arguments by those who make billions out of their "safe" product being forced on billions of people then you will not see the point - ever... until one day your kid comes back from the doctor never to be the same again. (know 5 close to whom this happened)

Why is there a billions of dollars vaccination compensation fund?

How do vaccines really work?
http://www.vaccinedecision.info/cgi-bin/viewcontent.cgi?article_id=18

Do the companies who make them lie at all?
http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/documents/Merck-False-Claims-Act.pdf (its a court document, just hosted by NN)

Does the MMR cause autism? Courts ruled YES.

Do your own research and see what you find.

Name calling does not make you look better or more authoritative. It makes you look like a bully who is hiding his lack of knowledge on the topic behind a show of strength.

Fail at reading, you quoted Natural news which has been ripped to pieces previously in this thread.

Try again?

 

[Cray]

Lol we got one!

Its like fishing - sooner or later you catch something interesting!

First post, I think someone is trolling with a sock puppet.

 

[Ancalagon]

First post, I think someone is trolling with a sock puppet.

Good point. How would a new user who has registered in Jan, discover the thread so soon?

 

[ScottulusMaximus]

Lol we got one!

Its like fishing - sooner or later you catch something interesting!

I stuck a big worm out

Good point. How would a new user who has registered in Jan, discover the thread so soon?

Ya I agree, unless it's an antivax lurker but I doubt it. Thread doesn't even show up on Google search pages high up yet.