Any Anti-Vaccine People on MyBB?

[PhleeBag]

I quoted enough to prick people's interest to hopefully get you to read the whole article... but that must be too much to ask. So you also quote out of context.

I note you chose not to quote this part:
"Vaccines are one of the most effective methods of controlling infectious disease."

OK now Phleebag is trying to imply something the article doesn't say, that vaccines have basically not changed in 100 years and that they are ineffective. The article of course clearly demonstrates in the first line that the latter is not at all what is being said (you know, the part Phlee dishonestly didn't quote). The truth is that there are plenty of new technologies in vaccines today that simply weren't around 100 years ago. 100 years ago something like a conjugate vaccine was unheard of, now it is commonplace. Recombinant vaccines? Yup those are new too.

These newer vaccines involve a process of identifying the leading variations of a pathogen responsible for disease. Considering the cost of manufacturing these vaccines ensuring that the right variations are covered in the vaccine is an obviously essential planning step.

 

[Thor]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7QBcMYqlaDs

 

[porchrat]

I quoted enough to prick people's interest to hopefully get you to read the whole article... but that must be too much to ask. So you also quote out of context.

No you quoted only the parts that would let you imply something that isn't said. It is dishonest. Much like how Naturalnews behaves.

Does the article say that vaccines are ineffective or doesn't it Phlee? Be honest for a change.

 

[PhleeBag]

BAHAHAHHAAHHAA!!!!!!
you got the vaccination to protect you from the disease but now someone who was not vaccinated gave it to you....

hahhahahahahhahahahhaha!

You know what the hilarious part of this infographic is? It demonstrates how unvaccinated people can start an outbreak. Those outbreaks are pretty much always traced back to unvaccinated people. Even with the unvaccinated morons running around the large scale vaccination of people has helped to prevent these outbreaks from even close to approaching what it was like before large scale vaccines were implemented. It demonstrates exactly why vaccines are necessary

Oh BTW another lie implied here is that measles was declared eliminated from the entire world. It was actually declared eliminated from the U.S. in all practical senses. Looking at those numbers one can understand why. They went from just under 1000 cases to 37 in just 10 years. Well done vaccines.

 

[PhleeBag]

Porchy, you made my day. it is great to have such a nice laugh.

so now we can only say: (everybody) "vaccines are safe, but NOT so effective."

 

[Pox]

Porchy, you made my day. it is great to have such a nice laugh.

so now we can only say: (everybody) "vaccines are safe, but NOT so effective."

You have serious problems with reading and comprehension. The measels outbreak were in kids not immunised.
Keep up with your laughter Mr Troll. I dis-believe all your claims and have assigned you uber-troll status.
This means you are now entertainment.

Please continue.

 

[PhleeBag]

"Summary
So what does this really mean? Many vaccines may be effective in preventing disease, but since vaccines cause an abnormal immune system response, it hinders the development of the immune system, resulting in inappropriate responses to normal environmental stimuli.
"
for those who cant read the link...

No you quoted only the parts that would let you imply something that isn't said. It is dishonest. Much like how Naturalnews behaves.

Does the article say that vaccines are ineffective or doesn't it Phlee? Be honest for a change.

 

[PhleeBag]

ask yourself why they say "may be effective" ?
because provaxxers would not read what they say if they summarised as found in the body.

Once you have damaged the immune system's ability to respond normally... WHAT HAPPENS?

PROFIT!!!

 

[porchrat]

ask yourself why they say "may be effective" ?
because provaxxers would not read what they say if they summarised as found in the body.

Once you have damaged the immune system's ability to respond normally... WHAT HAPPENS?

PROFIT!!!

OK so you're saying the body of the article says vaccines are ineffective? (I mean I know you're implying it I just want it in black and white so you can't squirm)

 

[PhleeBag]

http://www.nvic.org/downloads/49-doses-posterb.aspx

 

[porchrat]

Porchy, you made my day. it is great to have such a nice laugh.

so now we can only say: (everybody) "vaccines are safe, but NOT so effective."

No vaccines are safe and effective. All the article you've posted is showing is the latest improvements to vaccines, not that vaccines are ineffective or dangerous. The world of vaccinology is constantly improving. Nobody ever said vaccines are perfect and cannot be improved upon. Of course they can.

 

[porchrat]

BAHAHAHHAAHHAA!!!!!!
you got the vaccination to protect you from the disease but now someone who was not vaccinated gave it to you....

hahhahahahahhahahahhaha!

Getting vaccinated doesn't mean you can't get infected with a pathogen. How freaking ignorant are you? Vaccinations prepare your immune system to fight off infections, not to prevent you from ever getting it at all.

Immunity to something doesn't mean you can't be infected, it means you can fight it off when it does actually invade you. Crickey how can you be so ignorant and still try to comment on this topic?!? :wtf:

Did you think it creates some magic shield around your body that prevents the pathogen getting to you?!?!?

I reckon you could probably even find instances of people developing some mild symptoms if their antibody titres aren't high enough post immunisation. Of course we're not talking full blown disease state here, the vaccine usually shields you from that, but to think it doesn't even reach you... Christ.

 

[PhleeBag]

yawn...
"This Th2 response will elicit high antibody production. These antibodies will attach to the measles virus which will aid macrophages in identifying them and also will prevent entry into cells. However any viruses that get past the antibody defense and into cells will be able to replicate due to the lack of Killer T cells that would normally be present in the Th1 response."

Getting vaccinated doesn't mean you can't get infected with a pathogen. How freaking ignorant are you? Vaccinations prepare your immune system to fight off infections, not to prevent you from ever getting it at all.

Immunity to something doesn't mean you can't be infected, it means you can fight it off when it does actually invade you. Crickey how can you be so ignorant and still try to comment on this topic?!? :wtf:

Did you think it creates some magic shield around your body that prevents the pathogen getting to you?!?!?

 

[Nanfeishen]

It's called evolution, specifically natural selection.

Populations arent meant to survive certain diseases for a reason.
Survival of the fittest, means the stronger healthier individuals will pass on their immunity to the following generation , thus evolving accordingly.
With the introduction of vaccines we interefered with that evolutionary procedure, we falsely created a survival mechanism that keeps weaker members alive, thus over time ensuring weak traits and genetic abherations that would not have survived naturally are passed on to the next generation.
So over time and generations the stronger healthier gene pool is actually reduced and diluted by traits that should have naturally been removed through disease.
That hinder's, reduces and impacts negatively upon species evolution.

 

[porchrat]

Keep in mind however that in a population not everybody is vaccinated. Young children, the elderly and the immuno-compromised are vulnerable. Enough of those people together in a place and you have an epidemic. Worse now is that idiots like yourself are stopping people from getting vaccinations leaving otherwise healthy people vulnerable to the disease state and able to spread it.

Look at that latest outbreak (I think it was Disneyland?). Look at how many of the people that got measles hadn't been vaccinated.

 

[porchrat]

yawn...
"This Th2 response will elicit high antibody production. These antibodies will attach to the measles virus which will aid macrophages in identifying them and also will prevent entry into cells. However any viruses that get past the antibody defense and into cells will be able to replicate due to the lack of Killer T cells that would normally be present in the Th1 response."

Yea it still enters your body, vaccination isn't a magical shield that stops pathogens getting to you. You seem to think it does.

Heck if your antibody titre is low enough post immunisation you may actually develop symptoms. We all respond differently. Those people however are in the minority in terms of the problem and even then their lower levels of antibodies still help as opposed to not having been vaccinated and having no antibodies at all when the infection starts. These outbreaks invariably involve in the majority people who haven't vaccinated or are immuno-compromised. Further note that the more people in a given population have been vaccinated the lower the chances of an epidemic because the infection can't spread effectively (the likelihood of the infected coming into contact with someone able to become infectious is lower). That you don't understand all this, and so laugh and think it is all so silly that "vaccinated people can get infected hahaha", is again testament to how ignorant you anti-vaxxers are.

 

[PhleeBag]

That you don't understand this is again testament to how ignorant you vaxxers are.

Yea it still enters your body, vaccination isn't a magical shield that stops pathogens getting to you. You seem to think it does.

Heck if your antibody titre is low enough post immunisation you may actually develop symptoms. We all respond differently. Those people however are in the minority in terms of the problem. These outbreaks invariably involve in the majority people who haven't vaccinated or are immuno-compromised. That you don't understand this is again testament to how ignorant you anti-vaxxers are.

 

[TofuMofu]

BAHAHAHHAAHHAA!!!!!!
you got the vaccination to protect you from the disease but now someone who was not vaccinated gave it to you....

hahhahahahahhahahahhaha!

Oh, now I see...you're a child. No need to debate anything further here then.


/exits

 

[porchrat]

Oh, now I see...you're a child. No need to debate anything further here then.


/exits

He is also ignorant. That post stands as further evidence of how little immunology he actually understands.

 

[porchrat]

That you don't understand this is again testament to how ignorant you vaxxers are.

I do understand it... which is why I posted it. :erm:

I mean really, you're caught out not knowing the basics and your response is the equivalent of "I know you are but what am I". Pathetic.

Instead take this as an opportunity to learn and grow. Hopefully with enough time you'll understand enough about immunology to understand why vaccines are so damn good at what they do.