Any Anti-Vaccine People on MyBB?

[PhleeBag]

ok, so explain your understanding of the Th1/Th2 balance.

I do understand it... which is why I posted it. :erm:

I mean really, you're caught out not knowing the basics and your response is the equivalent of "I know you are but what am I". Pathetic.

Instead take this as an opportunity to learn and grow. Hopefully with enough time you'll understand enough about immunology to understand why vaccines are so damn good at what they do.

 

[porchrat]

ok, so explain your understanding of the Th1/Th2 balance.

It is the different helper T cell response pathways in your immune system. In simple terms it is the idea that each pathway is geared ideally towards combating a particular type of pathogen. Th1 is best against intracellular pathogens and th2 is best against extracellular. (though I'm betting you didn't even know the h in Th stood for helper or that it referred to CD4 cell types)... heck I'll bet you don't even know what CD stands for and now need to Google it (I'll give you a hint, it starts with Cl))

You realise I studied 4 years of biochemistry at a tertiary level right (actually more if you count the MSc)? (so while I'm certainly no expert I imagine I know more about it than the average Joe)

This of course has nothing to do with, and is just an attempt to sidetrack readers from, your obvious lack of understanding of how not everybody that is vaccinated is necessarily immunised. (the absolute shock at this ridiculous concept, as though you'd discovered something new, amazing, and totally unexpected was hilarious, like a "checkmate science!" moment )

(you still haven't admitted it btw, you're just arrogantly pushing forward, this isn't even the first time this sort of thing happened in this thread, you just seem to ignore the fsckup and carry on regardless )

 

[PhleeBag]

With you nothing is "check mate" more like check everything he says mate... like your sure HPV vaccination etc etc.

"You realise I studied 4 years of biochemistry at a tertiary level right (actually more if you count the MSc)?" - your shill count has just gone up a WHOLE lot. I will keep digging on you but I am quite confident the chances are very high.

Either way I must give you a thumbs up for making sure you dedicated a whole lot of your days to sow doubt that anyone could survive without vaccinations (like all those I know who actually do better than the rest) and to make sure your "educated" brain could sow enough noise to distract from all the information on both sides.

You deserve a big pay increase for that! I mean who would have thought that this thread would go on for so long. I think you managed to keep up the noise very well. Congrats!

It is the different helper T cell response pathways in your immune system. In simple terms it is the idea that each pathway is geared ideally towards combating a particular type of pathogen. Th1 is best against intracellular pathogens and th2 is best against extracellular. (though I'm betting you didn't even know the h in Th stood for helper or that it referred to CD4 cell types)... heck I'll bet you don't even know what CD stands for and now need to Google it (I'll give you a hint, it starts with Cl))

You realise I studied 4 years of biochemistry at a tertiary level right (actually more if you count the MSc)? (so while I'm certainly no expert I imagine I know more about it than the average Joe)

This of course has nothing to do with, and is just an attempt to sidetrack readers from, your obvious lack of understanding of how not everybody that is vaccinated is necessarily immunised. (the absolute shock at this ridiculous concept, as though you'd discovered something new, amazing, and totally unexpected was hilarious, like a "checkmate science!" moment )

 

[PhleeBag]

I must say my 12 year old daughter packed out laughing at your idea that an unvaccinated person made the vaccinated person sick with the disease that they were vaccinated for.

"what is the point then?!" she said.

Its like blaming the guy riding past you on his bicycle without a helmet for your head injury when you wore yours.
You have lots of clever scientists citing herd immunity which is just a load of turd.

either way - explain it away... yawn.

 

[porchrat]

With you nothing is "check mate" more like check everything he says mate... like your sure HPV vaccination etc etc.

"You realise I studied 4 years of biochemistry at a tertiary level right (actually more if you count the MSc)?" - your shill count has just gone up a WHOLE lot. I will keep digging on you but I am quite confident the chances are very high.

OH MY GOD HE HAS A TERTIARY EDUCATION!!!!!! HE'S PART OF TEH CONSPIRACY!!!!1!!!ELEVENTY!!!!!

Either way I must give you a thumbs up for making sure you dedicated a whole lot of your days to sow doubt that anyone could survive without vaccinations (like all those I know who actually do better than the rest) and to make sure your "educated" brain could sow enough noise to distract from all the information on both sides.

You deserve a big pay increase for that! I mean who would have thought that this thread would go on for so long. I think you managed to keep up the noise very well. Congrats!

Awwww don't go away mad, just go away and stop spreading your lies.

 

[PhleeBag]

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/why-china-having-measles-outbreaks-when-99-are-vaccinated-2

Why Is China Having Measles Outbreaks When 99% Are Vaccinated?

 

[porchrat]

I must say my 12 year old daughter packed out laughing at your idea that an unvaccinated person made the vaccinated person sick with the disease that they were vaccinated for.

Sounds about right for a 12 year old. That is why I was so surprised that you, an adult, could still be making that same uninformed mistake.

"what is the point then?!" she said.

The point is, as already stated, that it only happens for a minority of people and even those with low titres resulting in partial immunity still posses a heightened ability to combat the infection over those with no immunity whatsoever.

Its like blaming the guy riding past you on his bicycle without a helmet for your head injury when you wore yours.
You have lots of clever scientists citing herd immunity which is just a load of turd.

Funnily enough herd immunity is actually linked in. For the very reason that there are some people that for legitimate reasons cannot receive vaccinations (e.g. too young, too old, immuno-compromised or flat out allergic to some of the vaccine components) we need people to get vaccinated. Especially when one considers that for a small number of people vaccines don't work as well. It means there are vulnerable people walking around in our society and those of us that can get vaccinated need to to ensure that epidemics happen less frequently or hopefully not at all. As long as the infectious individual is surrounded by immunised people the disease can't spread, we've prevented an epidemic.

either way - explain it away... yawn.

Yea that must be inconvenient, science having a legitimate explanation for all your whackadoo claims stemming from a position of ignorance (some of which were answered literally over a century ago).

 

[porchrat]

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/why-china-having-measles-outbreaks-when-99-are-vaccinated-2

Why Is China Having Measles Outbreaks When 99% Are Vaccinated?

Again your source lies. The article referenced does not reach the conclusions that the journalistic piece does. WHY DO YOU READ THIS TRASH WHEN THE AUTHORS OBVIOUSLY THINK YOU'RE A MORON, AREN'T YOU INSULTED BY THE CONTEMPT THESE AUTHORS SHOW TOWARDS YOU?!?!? (hell I would be)

Seriously go read the study, see what it really says. See just how full of schit that journalistic piece of trash is.

 

[PhleeBag]

http://news.sciencemag.org/health/2...ak-traced-fully-vaccinated-patient-first-time

Measles Outbreak Traced to Fully Vaccinated Patient for First Time

 

[PhleeBag]

Porchy you sir are an idiot.
All this is referenced

 

[PhleeBag]

Primary and secondary vaccine failure may explain the 1992 measles epidemic in Cape Town. - GreenMedInfo Summary
Abstract Title:

The 1992 measles epidemic in Cape Town--a changing epidemiological pattern.
Abstract Source:

S Afr Med J. 1994 Mar ;84(3):145-9. PMID: 7740350

Abstract Author(s):

N Coetzee, G D Hussey, G Visser, P Barron, A Keen
Article Affiliation:

Department of Community Health, University of Cape Town.
Abstract:

Over the last 6 years there has been a decline in the incidence of measles in Cape Town. However, during August 1992 an outbreak occurred, with cases reported at many schools in children presumably immunised. The objectives of this study were to characterise the epidemic in Cape Town and to determine possible reasons for the outbreak. The investigation consisted of two components--a description of the epidemic and an investigation of an outbreak at one primary school. Results indicate that during the last 4 months of the year, 757 cases were notified in Cape Town, compared with 144 in the first 8 months. The epidemic affected mainly white and coloured children over 5 years of age (P<0.001). In contrast, during the period before the epidemic most cases occurred in black children and in those aged less than 1 year (P<0.001). There was no significant increase in hospitalised cases. Investigation of the outbreak at one school revealed that the attack rate was 7.6% (25/329 children). Immunisation coverage (at least one dose of any measles vaccine) was 91% and vaccine efficacy was estimated to be 79% (95% CI 55-90); it was highest for monovalent measles (100%) and lowest for measles-mumps-rubella (74%). The epidemiology of measles in Cape Town has thus changed as evinced in this epidemic, with an increase in the number of cases occurring in older, previously vaccinated children. The possible reasons for this include both primary and secondary vaccine failure.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 250 WORDS)
Article Published Date : Feb 28, 1994
Study Type : Human Study
Additional Links
Diseases : Measles : CK(278) : AC(8)
Additional Keywords : Vaccine Failure : CK(244) : AC(30)
Anti Therapeutic Actions : Vaccination: All : CK(4702) : AC(361), Vaccination: Measles : CK(157) : AC(16)

 

[porchrat]

Porchy you sir are an idiot.
All this is referenced

Go read the study. It is there in black and white. You have free access to the entire article. Go read it.

 

[noxibox]

Survival of the fittest, means the stronger healthier individuals will pass on their immunity to the following generation , thus evolving accordingly.

Does immunity get passed on?

 

[PhleeBag]

Abstract Title:

Difficulties in eliminating measles and controlling rubella and mumps: a cross-sectional study of a first measles and rubella vaccination and a second measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination.
Abstract Source:

PLoS One. 2014 ;9(2):e89361. Epub 2014 Feb 20. PMID: 24586717

Abstract Author(s):

Zhifang Wang, Rui Yan, Hanqing He, Qian Li, Guohua Chen, Shengxu Yang, Enfu Chen
Article Affiliation:

Zhifang Wang
Abstract:

BACKGROUND: The reported coverage of the measles-rubella (MR) or measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine is greater than 99.0% in Zhejiang province. However, the incidence of measles, mumps, and rubella remains high. In this study, we assessed MMR seropositivity and disease distribution by age on the basis of the current vaccination program, wherein the first dose of MR is administered at 8 months and the second dose of MMR is administered at 18-24 months.

METHODS: Cross-sectional serological surveys of MMR antibodies were conducted by collecting epidemiological data in Zhejiang province, China in 2011. In total, 1015 participants were randomly selected from two surveillance sites. Serum MMR-specific immunoglobulin G levels were tested by enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay. The geometric mean titers and seroprevalence with 95% confidence intervals (CIs) were calculated by age and gender. Proportions of different dose of vaccine by age by vaccine were also identified. Statistically significant differences between categories were assessed by the Chi-square test.

RESULTS: Over 95% seroprevalence rates of measles were seen in all age groups except<7 months infants. children aged 5-9 years were shown lower seropositivity rates of mumps while elder adolescences and young adults presented rubella seroprevalence. especially, was significantly in female than male. nine measles cases unvaccinated or unknown vaccination history. among them, 66.67% (6>

CONCLUSIONS: A timely two-dose MMR vaccination schedule is recommended, with the first dose at 8 months and the second dose at 18-24 months. An MR vaccination speed-up campaign may be necessary for elder adolescents and young adults, particularly young females.

Article Published Date : Dec 31, 2013
Study Type : Human Study
Additional Links
Diseases : Measles : CK(278) : AC(8), Mumps : CK(41) : AC(1), Rubella : CK(54) : AC(4)
Additional Keywords : Vaccine Failure : CK(244) : AC(30)
Anti Therapeutic Actions : Brachytherapy : CK(10) : AC(1), Vaccination: Measles : CK(157) : AC(16), Vaccination: Mumps-Measles-Rubella (MMR) : CK(228) : AC(26)

 

[porchrat]

Abstract Title:

Difficulties in eliminating measles and controlling rubella and mumps: a cross-sectional study of a first measles and rubella vaccination and a second measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination.
Abstract Source:

PLoS One. 2014 ;9(2):e89361. Epub 2014 Feb 20. PMID: 24586717

Abstract Author(s):

Zhifang Wang, Rui Yan, Hanqing He, Qian Li, Guohua Chen, Shengxu Yang, Enfu Chen
Article Affiliation:

Zhifang Wang
Abstract:

BACKGROUND: The reported coverage of the measles-rubella (MR) or measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine is greater than 99.0% in Zhejiang province. However, the incidence of measles, mumps, and rubella remains high. In this study, we assessed MMR seropositivity and disease distribution by age on the basis of the current vaccination program, wherein the first dose of MR is administered at 8 months and the second dose of MMR is administered at 18-24 months.

METHODS: Cross-sectional serological surveys of MMR antibodies were conducted by collecting epidemiological data in Zhejiang province, China in 2011. In total, 1015 participants were randomly selected from two surveillance sites. Serum MMR-specific immunoglobulin G levels were tested by enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay. The geometric mean titers and seroprevalence with 95% confidence intervals (CIs) were calculated by age and gender. Proportions of different dose of vaccine by age by vaccine were also identified. Statistically significant differences between categories were assessed by the Chi-square test.

RESULTS: Over 95% seroprevalence rates of measles were seen in all age groups except<7 months infants. children aged 5-9 years were shown lower seropositivity rates of mumps while elder adolescences and young adults presented rubella seroprevalence. especially, was significantly in female than male. nine measles cases unvaccinated or unknown vaccination history. among them, 66.67% (6>

CONCLUSIONS: A timely two-dose MMR vaccination schedule is recommended, with the first dose at 8 months and the second dose at 18-24 months. An MR vaccination speed-up campaign may be necessary for elder adolescents and young adults, particularly young females.

Article Published Date : Dec 31, 2013
Study Type : Human Study
Additional Links
Diseases : Measles : CK(278) : AC(8), Mumps : CK(41) : AC(1), Rubella : CK(54) : AC(4)
Additional Keywords : Vaccine Failure : CK(244) : AC(30)
Anti Therapeutic Actions : Brachytherapy : CK(10) : AC(1), Vaccination: Measles : CK(157) : AC(16), Vaccination: Mumps-Measles-Rubella (MMR) : CK(228) : AC(26)

No not the abstract you lazy fsck. Read the actual article. (don't worry you don't need to read the whole thing, I know it has some big words but you'll be OK, just read the discussion and conclusions part that is what is important)

 

[PhleeBag]

"WATCHUNG, NJ--(Marketwired - August 18, 2014) - A top research scientist working for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) played a key role in helping Dr. Brian Hooker of the Focus Autism Foundation uncover data manipulation by the CDC that obscured a higher incidence of autism in African-American boys. The whistleblower came to the attention of Hooker, a PhD in biochemical engineering, after he had made a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request for original data on the DeStefano et al MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) and autism study.

Dr. Hooker's study, published August 8 in the peer-reviewed scientific journal Translational Neurodegeneration, shows that African-American boys receiving their first MMR vaccine before 36 months of age are 3.4 times more likely to develop autism vs. after 36 months."

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/br...s-cdc-scientists-covering-vaccine-autism-link

and once again there are references...

 

[porchrat]

Does immunity get passed?

Depends what kind. Immunological memory like is used for vaccines is not passed on as far as I'm aware. Primary barriers like skin and mucosal structure probably are though.

Though maternal antibodies do protect young kids so in that way in early life before you can get vaccinated you are sort of protected. It isn't nearly as effective though.

 

[PhleeBag]

http://www.translationalneurodegeneration.com/content/3/1/16/abstract

"Background

A significant number of children diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder suffer a loss of previously-acquired skills, suggesting neurodegeneration or a type of progressive encephalopathy with an etiological basis occurring after birth. The purpose of this study is to investigate the effectof the age at which children got their first Measles-Mumps-Rubella (MMR) vaccine on autism incidence. This is a reanalysis of the data set, obtained from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Protection (CDC), used for the Destefano et al. 2004 publication on the timing of the first MMR vaccine and autism diagnoses.
Methods

The author embarked on the present study to evaluate whether a relationship exists between child age when the first MMR vaccine was administered among cases diagnosed with autism and controls born between 1986 through 1993 among school children in metropolitan Atlanta. The Pearson’s chi-squared method was used to assess relative risks of receiving an autism diagnosis within the total cohort as well as among different race and gender categories.
Results

When comparing cases and controls receiving their first MMR vaccine before and after 36 months of age, there was a statistically significant increase in autism cases specifically among African American males who received the first MMR prior to 36 months of age. Relative risks for males in general and African American males were 1.69 (p=0.0138) and 3.36 (p=0.0019), respectively. Additionally, African American males showed an odds ratio of 1.73 (p=0.0200) for autism cases in children receiving their first MMR vaccine prior to 24 months of age versus 24 months of age and thereafter.
Conclusions

The present study provides new epidemiologic evidence showing that African American males receiving the MMR vaccine prior to 24 months of age or 36 months of age are more likely to receive an autism diagnosis. "

 

[porchrat]

"WATCHUNG, NJ--(Marketwired - August 18, 2014) - A top research scientist working for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) played a key role in helping Dr. Brian Hooker of the Focus Autism Foundation uncover data manipulation by the CDC that obscured a higher incidence of autism in African-American boys. The whistleblower came to the attention of Hooker, a PhD in biochemical engineering, after he had made a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request for original data on the DeStefano et al MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) and autism study.

Dr. Hooker's study, published August 8 in the peer-reviewed scientific journal Translational Neurodegeneration, shows that African-American boys receiving their first MMR vaccine before 36 months of age are 3.4 times more likely to develop autism vs. after 36 months."

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/br...s-cdc-scientists-covering-vaccine-autism-link

and once again there are references...

Article was retracted. Dude you REALLY don't check your sources at all ... like ever. :wtf:

Aren't you embarrassed by these sorts of continuous fsckups? It doesn't even seem to break your stride and make you consider reevaluating the way you look at what you read. Insane dude.

I note of course that the authors that seem to think you're a total mushroom in the intellectual department didn't bother to update the article with that information.

 

[PhleeBag]

"Titled, “Outbreak of Measles Among Persons With Prior Evidence of Immunity, New York City, 2011,” the groundbreaking study acknowledged that, “Measles may occur in vaccinated individuals, but secondary transmission from such individuals has not been documented.”

In order to find out if measles vaccine compliant individuals are capable of being infected and transmitting the infection to others, they evaluated suspected cases and contacts exposed during a 2011 measles outbreak in NYC. They focused on one patient who had received two doses of measles-containing vaccine and found that:

“Of 88 contacts, four secondary cases were confirmed that had either two doses of measles-containing vaccine or a past positive measles IgG antibody. All cases had laboratory confirmation of measles infection, clinical symptoms consistent with measles, and high avidity IgG antibody characteristic of a secondary immune response.”

Their remarkable conclusion:

“This is the first report of measles transmission from a twice vaccinated individual. The clinical presentation and laboratory data of the index were typical of measles in a naïve individual. Secondary cases had robust anamnestic antibody responses. No tertiary cases occurred despite numerous contacts. This outbreak underscores the need for thorough epidemiologic and laboratory investigation of suspected measles cases regardless of vaccination status.”

Did you follow that? A twice-vaccinated individual, from a NYC measles outbreak, was found to have transmitted measles to four of her contacts, two of which themselves had received two doses of MMR vaccine and had prior presumably protective measles IgG antibody results.

"

http://truthstreammedia.com/researchers-prove-that-measles-is-being-transmitted-by-the-vaccinated/