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[PhleeBag]

bahahha!

fail at reading?! - "Fail at reading, you quoted Natural news which has been ripped to pieces previously in this thread."
"(its a court document, just hosted by NN)"

so you have read those sites and the articles in them?
No, because actual evidence is not what you want nor is learning.

Enjoy the name calling.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

bahahha!

fail at reading?! - "Fail at reading, you quoted Natural news which has been ripped to pieces previously in this thread."
"(its a court document, just hosted by NN)"

so you have read those sites and the articles in them?
No, because actual evidence is not what you want nor is learning.

Enjoy the name calling.

If you were a little less dishonest you would have found this.

http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/mmr-vaccines-do-not-cause-autism/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/emilywi...urt-rulings-dont-confirm-autism-vaccine-link/

But then, facts and reality are nebulous concepts for anti-vaxxers.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

as i said, it's not solely vaccines that are responsible for improved health, that would be like suggesting airbags are responsible for less fatalities on the roads. they ARE doing good, but there are other avenues that all combine to improve overall health, vaccines being one of them, hygiene being another, and healthy food/drinking water/hospitals&health care being another.

i'm not advocating people NOT getting vaccines, but as with general motors recalling almost a million vehicles which are stock standard and identical, imagine the complexity of humans and their needs, environments, etc.

1 in a million death due to vaccines still adds up if you take the population of the world into account, and it's easy to say "it's for the greater good" coz it's not our kid.

expose the charlatans and crooks, but don't forget that there ARE side effects and it is a complicated issue, no matter how good intentions are, someone is responsible for a kid dying one day and who that is, is up for debate

Hygiene and 'healthy living' won't stop Polio or cervical cancer or Diphtheria.

 

[Nick333]

as i said, it's not solely vaccines that are responsible for improved health, that would be like suggesting airbags are responsible for less fatalities on the roads. they ARE doing good, but there are other avenues that all combine to improve overall health, vaccines being one of them, hygiene being another, and healthy food/drinking water/hospitals&health care being another.

i'm not advocating people NOT getting vaccines, but as with general motors recalling almost a million vehicles which are stock standard and identical, imagine the complexity of humans and their needs, environments, etc.

1 in a million death due to vaccines still adds up if you take the population of the world into account, and it's easy to say "it's for the greater good" coz it's not our kid.

expose the charlatans and crooks, but don't forget that there ARE side effects and it is a complicated issue, no matter how good intentions are, someone is responsible for a kid dying one day and who that is, is up for debate

Childhood mortality is the biggest factor in the mortality rate of a population. If you can survive childhood you stand a pretty good chance of dying in your old age. This had always been true. Contrary to the popular misconception, the age that people are considered old has been pretty constant. In other words if you made it to adulthood by the turn of the 19th century you were more or less as likely to make it to 70 as you are now (more or less, you're more likely to survive a heart attack or stroke now obviously) . What caused the average life span to be so low at the time even in developed countries was the high childhood mortality rates which were caused by childhood diseases which were virtually eradicated through vaccination. Even if you factor in nutrition and other forms of health care(vaccination is health care) vaccination has saved hundreds of millions of lives. If your kid died of vaccination side effects remember there is very little chance you would have been alive to conceive it in the first place because numerous of your ancestors wouldn't have survived childhood had they not been vaccinated.

You can advocate better over sight and regulation but to advocate not vaccinating kids is criminally stupid.

 

[Cray]

bahahha!

fail at reading?! - "Fail at reading, you quoted Natural news which has been ripped to pieces previously in this thread."
"(its a court document, just hosted by NN)"

so you have read those sites and the articles in them?
No, because actual evidence is not what you want nor is learning.
.

If a site is full of idiocy then I will reject it outright, If you can post something anything from a reputable site to support your claims then I will gladly read it.

 

[Nick333]

you say it's well said then confirm it's not a valid comparison?



it differs, just because people want something irrational doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss the topic. we can debate flaws in evolution and morality without having to bring religion or crazies into it

we DO still drive cars, and we DO still take vaccines, but if you get sent home by the nurse that evening and by the next day you're dead, what do they tell your family? "oops, sorry, it was 1 in a million, at least the rest of us are really healthy." it would be exactly the same for the car, if you discover that the car was the reason for your child's death, what action would you take? both vaccines and cars are a necessity for living in the modern world.

companies have been paying out victims, but i've yet to see someone be locked up for either fault, be it car or vaccine

It's a solid analogy. It's safe to say that at least one in a million mercs has a fatal flaw out of the factory. It's stupid to advocate not driving mercs because of it.

 

[DrJohnZoidberg]

Penn & Teller say it best:

[video=youtube_share;RfdZTZQvuCo]http://youtu.be/RfdZTZQvuCo[/video]

 

[STS]

Hygiene and 'healthy living' won't stop Polio or cervical cancer or Diphtheria.

it won't "stop" it, but neither will simply taking vaccines and living in environments ideal for these illnesses

 

[noxibox]

What these people are advocating is a risk free existence without considering that that is an impossibility.

Much worse than that they advocate getting diseases that have complication and fatality rates much higher than the vaccines they fear.

 

[Nick333]

it won't "stop" it, but neither will simply taking vaccines and living in environments ideal for these illnesses

Um, actually, it will and it does.

 

[PhleeBag]

ok, read the other links then and come back with some knowledge and not PR from the other side.
Your need both sides to hear an argument.
ps hosting a document does not nullify it's content just because of the domain name.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

it won't "stop" it, but neither will simply taking vaccines and living in environments ideal for these illnesses

Err, yes it will. Look at 3rd world countries that have health and sanitation issues anyway, and how vaccines helped curb some of the worst diseases there.

 

[STS]

It's a solid analogy. It's safe to say that at least one in a million mercs has a fatal flaw out of the factory. It's stupid to advocate not driving mercs because of it.

as i said, there are those advocating not driving and then there are those that want remuneration for something they had no control over. this stops being about "vaccines" and begins being about supplier/costumer, and about becoming aware of potentially catastrophic **** ups. this is not about being "anti-vax", it's about life threatening necessities and a little sympathy to take those who have lost someone to not be tossed into the same bag as the crazies

 

[PhleeBag]

posts TTL is slow due to currently being loadshed. LineInteractive UPS makes too much noise for ADSL to be happy. Online UPS needs new batteries...

 

[Nick333]

as i said, there are those advocating not driving and then there are those that want remuneration for something they had no control over. this stops being about "vaccines" and begins being about supplier/costumer, and about becoming aware of potentially catastrophic **** ups. this is not about being "anti-vax", it's about life threatening necessities and a little sympathy to take those who have lost someone to not be tossed into the same bag as the crazies

Who's tossing who into the same bag as the crazies?

 

[OrbitalDawn]

ok, read the other links then and come back with some knowledge and not PR from the other side.
Your need both sides to hear an argument.
ps hosting a document does not nullify it's content just because of the domain name.

Why don't you do it, then? Read the links I posted.

And your 'both sides of the argument' line is pure BS. It wrongfully creates the impression that there's some kind of balance where both 'sides' have equally valid arguments. There isn't and they don't.

One side has evidence, the other has blatant lies and manufactured outrage.

 

[PhleeBag]

shame... name calling instead of reading very technical science. Read it and be educated. Then argue from a point of knowledge.

 

[Cray]

ok, read the other links then and come back with some knowledge and not PR from the other side.
Your need both sides to hear an argument.
ps hosting a document does not nullify it's content just because of the domain name.

30 page court document -not so much. Care to summarise the outcome of the lawsuit?

 

[Nick333]

Why don't you do it, then? Read the links I posted.

And your 'both sides of the argument' line is pure BS. It wrongfully creates the impression that there's some kind of balance where both 'sides' have equally valid arguments. There isn't and they don't.

One side has evidence, the other has blatant lies and manufactured outrage.

I hate that "other side of the story " thing. As if every contrarian should be afforded as much attention and consideration as actual experts in a field. I really fccking hate it.

 

[PhleeBag]

"Care to summarise the outcome of the lawsuit? " - seriously?!
I can spend 100's hours reading a lot of different things on the topic and then making up my mind. You want the final answer handed to you on a platter?!

I posted links and a PDF. I think in an hour or two you could call yourself educated on the topic and be 100 steps ahead of orbitalDawn who prides himself in posting 0.6 uneducated posts per day.