Any Anti-Vaccine People on MyBB?

[semaphore]

Anybody claiming that vaccines don't have scientific evidence demonstrating efficacy simply isn't familiar with the literature.

That's why I didn't even bother. But remember this is Swa, at the end of the day he is more qualified than people who have studied this and spend their days doing the work.

 

[porchrat]

That's why I didn't even bother. But remember this is Swa, at the end of the day he is more qualified than people who have studied this and spend their days doing the work.

My MSc had to do with vaccines and so while I'm still no expert I'm fairly confident I've done more reading on this topic than the average person. I assure you guys that if you do the reading you will see the evidence of their efficacy. Stuff like serotype replacement and a host of other observations demonstrating how vaccines actively influence the pathogens they are associated with.

People who make claims like the one Swa did simply aren't familiar with the literature.

 

[raind33r]

Vaccines is a trap!

Ya but the Illuminati or one of those super secret societies put a tracking and subduing agent in the vaccines to control us.

True fact.

 

[alloytoo]

It suits it just fine. The reduction wasn't just due to vaccinations so you don't know what effect it has had, if any.

We know it's had a significant effect because statistics throughout the 20th century indicate a decline in child mortality from vacinated diseases, which has led to an increase in absolute life expectancy.

There are still a lot of co-morbidities that need to be taken into account.

irrelevant how many deadly diseases they had, dead is dead. Though it's interesting to note that Rome probably had much better sanitation than much of the world in the late 19th, early 20th century.

And from that you make a lot of assumptions. Clue: You can't determine the age of something you don't know anything about. We can determine the age of an animal in nature because we know their habits and how it affects their teeth. Even those estimates are sometimes completely wrong in the individual instance.

I couldn't, but a forensic anthropologist or osteoarchaeologist can.

They were indirectly to blame for harboring the ticks that spreads the disease.

Fleas you idiot, not ticks.

 

[Swa]

That's why I didn't even bother. But remember this is Swa, at the end of the day he is more qualified than people who have studied this and spend their days doing the work.

This is hilarious. You refer to something that doesn't exist.

We know it's had a significant effect because statistics throughout the 20th century indicate a decline in child mortality from vacinated diseases, which has led to an increase in absolute life expectancy.

Which goes together with better hygiene.

irrelevant how many deadly diseases they had, dead is dead. Though it's interesting to note that Rome probably had much better sanitation than much of the world in the late 19th, early 20th century.

Not irrelevant how many people die of causes other than disease.

I couldn't, but a forensic anthropologist or osteoarchaeologist can.

No they can't.

 

[alloytoo]

Which goes together with better hygiene.

Better hygiene began significant with water chlorination in the 1890's. (at this point I should point out that Chlorine is a deadly dangerous
chemical used in poisonous gas, (And you want to add this to your DRINKING Water!))

Vaccinations began about a hundred years earlier.

Not irrelevant how many people die of causes other than disease.

Not relevant unless they had multiply diseases.

No they can't.

Indeed they can.

 

[Nanfeishen]

Keep in mind however that in a population not everybody is vaccinated. Young children, the elderly and the immuno-compromised are vulnerable. Enough of those people together in a place and you have an epidemic. Worse now is that idiots like yourself are stopping people from getting vaccinations leaving otherwise healthy people vulnerable to the disease state and able to spread it.

I simply believe the current model and method of vaccination is flawed, old fashioned and out dated.

I dont believe grouping vaccinations together is good for infant immunology and that vaccines should be administered singularly with an appropriate time differential.

I also believe we have the medical know-how and technology to test both the individual immunological response and genetic make-up of newborns to determine the efficacy and strength of a vaccine on an individual basis, and that vaccines should be administered accordingly per individual.

 

[semaphore]

This is hilarious. You refer to something that doesn't exist.

Really? So you are currently in genomics/virology/immunology research? Child, please don't speak on things you can't comprehend.

 

[semaphore]

Better hygiene began significant with water chlorination in the 1890's. (at this point I should point out that Chlorine is a deadly dangerous
chemical used in poisonous gas, (And you want to add this to your DRINKING Water!))

Vaccinations began about a hundred years earlier.




Not relevant unless they had multiply diseases.



Indeed they can.

Don't bother man, this guy is a total tool and troll. He argues with people that have studied this field and claims to know more than them.

 

[Swa]

Better hygiene began significant with water chlorination in the 1890's. (at this point I should point out that Chlorine is a deadly dangerous
chemical used in poisonous gas, (And you want to add this to your DRINKING Water!))

Vaccinations began about a hundred years earlier.

Hygiene began with the germ theory. Vaccinations have been riding its success.

Not relevant unless they had multiply diseases.

And other factors besides disease.

Indeed they can.

You seem misinformed.

Really? So you are currently in genomics/virology/immunology research? Child, please don't speak on things you can't comprehend.

So where is the controlled double blind studies then? Your condescending attitude is noted.

Don't bother man, this guy is a total tool and troll. He argues with people that have studied this field and claims to know more than them.

It's not what I am claiming. It's the questions I ask which the people that studied the field can't answer.

 

[porchrat]

I simply believe the current model and method of vaccination is flawed, old fashioned and out dated.

I dont believe grouping vaccinations together is good for infant immunology and that vaccines should be administered singularly with an appropriate time differential.

I'm vaguely aware of a school of thinking that says children can develop some mild immunological oversensitivities from vaccinations. Hayfever and such. Seems worth it to me. Other than that though I haven't read anything saying immune systems are routinely dangerously harmed by vaccinations.

I also believe we have the medical know-how and technology to test both the individual immunological response and genetic make-up of newborns to determine the efficacy and strength of a vaccine on an individual basis, and that vaccines should be administered accordingly per individual.

Medication tailored to your genetics? While it is certainly an area of heavy research in my experience that isn't something that can be made readily available at this point. We don't just need to understand the genome, we need to understand it in conjunction with the proteome, and that is a science still in its infancy.

 

[PhleeBag]

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http://vaccinefactcheck.org/2015/03...d-who-are-sterilizing-girls-through-vaccines/

Vatican: UNICEF and WHO are sterilizing girls through vaccines


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[alloytoo]

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http://vaccinefactcheck.org/2015/03...d-who-are-sterilizing-girls-through-vaccines/

Vatican: UNICEF and WHO are sterilizing girls through vaccines


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Rubbish

 

[Swa]

LOL. The article comments actually addresses the snopes article. It doesn't add or refer to any evidence to present the findings as inaccurate but merely takes the same stance as the agencies. Question though is why are the health authorities not interested in allowing independent testing?

 

[alloytoo]

LOL. The article comments actually addresses the snopes article. It doesn't add or refer to any evidence to present the findings as inaccurate but merely takes the same stance as the agencies. Question though is why are the health authorities not interested in allowing independent testing?

Because as indicated in the Snopes article, there are no labs in Kenya with adequate facilities to test a vaccine.

Two things here.

1. These claims are not new, they're persistently repeated decade after decade (with minor variation) and yet the so called "Sterilization Targets" continue to populate the planet.

2. The catholic church (especially in Africa) is apposed to birth control of any kind, this was originally an attempt to discredit research into birth control using hCG.





http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2...-priests-versus-the-tetanus-vaccine-in-kenya/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-the-kenyan-government-over-tetanus-vaccines/

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/04/17/if-you-think-anti-vaccine-loons-are-just/

 

[PhleeBag]

http://www.thinktwice.com/birthcon.htm

http://vactruth.com/2014/12/10/tetanus-vaccines-cause-infertility/

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/who-puts-kenyan-tetanus-vaccine-under-police-guard-avoid-testing


neither point 1 or 2 of your argument are relevant. They dont make those facts just vanish.

Because as indicated in the Snopes article, there are no labs in Kenya with adequate facilities to test a vaccine.

Two things here.

1. These claims are not new, they're persistently repeated decade after decade (with minor variation) and yet the so called "Sterilization Targets" continue to populate the planet.

2. The catholic church (especially in Africa) is apposed to birth control of any kind, this was originally an attempt to discredit research into birth control using hCG.





http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2...-priests-versus-the-tetanus-vaccine-in-kenya/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-the-kenyan-government-over-tetanus-vaccines/

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/04/17/if-you-think-anti-vaccine-loons-are-just/

 

[LazyLion]

 

[porchrat]

They dont make those facts just vanish.

 

[Swa]

Because as indicated in the Snopes article, there are no labs in Kenya with adequate facilities to test a vaccine.

Two things here.

1. These claims are not new, they're persistently repeated decade after decade (with minor variation) and yet the so called "Sterilization Targets" continue to populate the planet.

2. The catholic church (especially in Africa) is apposed to birth control of any kind, this was originally an attempt to discredit research into birth control using hCG.





http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2...-priests-versus-the-tetanus-vaccine-in-kenya/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-the-kenyan-government-over-tetanus-vaccines/

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/04/17/if-you-think-anti-vaccine-loons-are-just/

The questions still remain.

 

[alloytoo]

The questions still remain.

What questions, indeed what facts?