Any Anti-Vaccine People on MyBB?

[Swa]

Indeed, what facts?

 

[bokdrol]

I simply believe the current model and method of vaccination is flawed, old fashioned and out dated.

I dont believe grouping vaccinations together is good for infant immunology and that vaccines should be administered singularly with an appropriate time differential.

I also believe we have the medical know-how and technology to test both the individual immunological response and genetic make-up of newborns to determine the efficacy and strength of a vaccine on an individual basis, and that vaccines should be administered accordingly per individual.

I agree with this.

 

[Nanfeishen]

I'm vaguely aware of a school of thinking that says children can develop some mild immunological oversensitivities from vaccinations. Hayfever and such. Seems worth it to me. Other than that though I haven't read anything saying immune systems are routinely dangerously harmed by vaccinations.

The knowledge is poor and lacking

It is important to keep in mind that we do not fully understand how self-tolerance is broken, so we currently have no perfect way of predicting all potential autoimmune triggers that could be associated with vaccination

http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1000612

Infection, vaccines and other environmental triggers of autoimmunity.

Vaccines, in several reports were found to be temporally followed by a new onset of autoimmune diseases. The same mechanisms that act in infectious invasion of the host, apply equally to the host response to vaccination. It has been accepted for diphtheria and tetanus toxoid, polio and measles vaccines and GBS. Also this theory has been accepted for MMR vaccination and development of autoimmune thrombocytopenia, MS has been associated with HBV vaccination.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16126512

The fact that autoimmune triggers are a little studied known factor in associations with vaccinations is certainly more than a cause for concern.
There has been a significant rise in numbers of autoimmune diseases in the last 50 years, especially in the over vaccinated developed part of the world.

An even bigger cause for concern is that the defining characteristic of the vaccination schedule is that it is based in a large part on age. Think about that.... AGE..... the "tried and tested model of medicine" in other words old fashioned and out dated, bordering on superstition.

 

[Pox]

An even bigger cause for concern is that the defining characteristic of the vaccination schedule is that it is based in a large part on age. Think about that.... AGE..... the "tried and tested model of medicine" in other words old fashioned and out dated, bordering on superstition.

The age of the patients, not the age of the medical practice. Wtf. Seriously Wtf. That there removes any validity any of the other points may have.

 

[porchrat]

The age of the patients, not the age of the medical practice. Wtf. Seriously Wtf. That there removes any validity any of the other points may have.

I think he does mean age of patient. I don't know why he finds that so weird though. The capabilities (maturity if you will) of one's immune system are indeed linked to one's age.

 

[bokdrol]

My personal belief is that the increase of autoimmune diseases has to do with pollution and environmental toxins, not vaccines.

 

[Swa]

The age of the patients, not the age of the medical practice. Wtf. Seriously Wtf. That there removes any validity any of the other points may have.

Auto-immune diseases (not exclusively autism but also not excluding it) has rises with the use of vaccines and this also coincides geographically with the use of vaccines. Something to be seriously concerned about especially considering how vaccines work. An artificial agent that targets the immune system in an artificial way can plausibly cause it to malfunction

We have two camps. One believes vaccines are harmful. They may be wrong but they may also be right. The other believes vaccines are safe and beneficial. They may be right but they may also be wrong.

 

[alloytoo]

My personal belief is that the increase of autoimmune diseases has to do with pollution and environmental toxins, not vaccines.

I suspect diet and proliferation of highly processed foods in recent decades may also contribute.

 

[noxibox]

My personal belief is that the increase of autoimmune diseases has to do with pollution and environmental toxins, not vaccines.

Excessive hygiene has been proposed as a possibility.

 

[LazyLion]

http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2015/01/watch-2-magicians-destroy-anti-vaccine-movement-90-seconds.html

 

[bokdrol]

Excessive hygiene has been proposed as a possibility.

I agree. Kids should be exposed to germs.

 

[konfab]

I agree. Kids should be exposed to germs.

I agree, the naughty ones should be exposed to Ebola. :twisted:

 

[Pox]

I know this is anecdotal but as a kid we were left to do whatever we wanted. Play in the dirt, eat anything you felt like etc.
But now you see parents running around with anti-bacterial everything and dosing there kids with antibiotics at the first sign of a sniffle.

Surely using exposure to build up an immune system is better than isolation?

 

[PhleeBag]

Surely using exposure to build up an immune system is better than isolation?

This is exactly it! Natural exposure... not a chemical soup injected into the newborn.

 

[PhleeBag]

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[Pox]

This is exactly it! Natural exposure... not a chemical soup injected into the newborn.

Don't twist my words. I ate dirt as a kid but I still had all my shots.

Was pointing out that we dont know why there is an increase in immune problems, but I would think massive over-hygiene is a contributing factor.

 

[porchrat]

This is exactly it! Natural exposure... not a chemical soup injected into the newborn.

Natural exposure to Hepatitis? Good luck with keeping your kids once the public finds out about that. :erm:

 

[SoulTax]

Natural exposure to Hepatitis? Good luck with keeping your kids once the public finds out about that. :erm:

Ye what people like Phlee think though, is that your immune system is like a muscle. If you exercise it on the small germs, it can handle the big ones on its own.

Not the case with big ones at all. This might be true for minor bacterial infections and minor viral infections. That all of the small exposures will keep your body's immune system in a very alert and adaptable state. But when a big one comes knocking, there is no "Practice" other than Vaccines that will help you.

 

[Swa]

Ye what people like Phlee think though, is that your immune system is like a muscle. If you exercise it on the small germs, it can handle the big ones on its own.

Not the case with big ones at all. This might be true for minor bacterial infections and minor viral infections. That all of the small exposures will keep your body's immune system in a very alert and adaptable state. But when a big one comes knocking, there is no "Practice" other than Vaccines that will help you.

Except that with an unexercised immune system a small germ will look like a big one.

 

[SoulTax]

Except that with an unexercised immune system a small germ will look like a big one.

Possibly, but an unvaccinated immune system sees a big one as a death sentence. So rather exercise it on the small things and vaccinate it against the big things. Then everything that is left is hopefully a small fry.