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ISP cash cow said:
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Yeah, two can play the shock game.

ISP cash cow said:
Hahahahahahahahahaha that is so funny. do you no standup comedy

If you are born with natural immunity then why would you have an unexercised immune system?
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Really? That is your argument? Shows you know even less than those you criticise here.

ISP cash cow said:
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I have come to the conclusion that you actually have no fcking idea what you are talking about since you are constantly changing your story for whoever you may be debating (i use that word very loosely)with.
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ROTFLOL. I have come to the conclusion it's just hopeless to "debate" with you. If you can't understand on your own that there are multiple aspects with multiple arguments behind them you are not worth it.

porchrat said:
The truth of course is that we are born with a pretty disfunctional immature immune system. Babies usually need to rely on the antibodies present in a mother's milk in order to hold off early infections.

Also this idea Swa is pushing of exercising the immune system is a half-truth. The immune system does indeed need to be exercised (in a sense) but we need to keep in mind that the immune system's responses are highly specific to the pathogen in question. One can't exercise one's immune system on the common cold and expect it to then be able to fight off smallpox, it doesn't work that way. For example we used to use cowpox to help us fight off smallpox. That worked because cowpox and smallpox look very similar on a molecular level so our immune systems, when experienced at fighting cowpox, poduced antibodies specific to cowpox that also luckily were non-specific enough to work against smallpox, so our immune systems became better at fighting smallpox. So yes we need to exercise our immune systems but in very specific ways to counter very specific lethal or disfiguring pathogens.

So again, the implication from Swa's camp is that we just need to sort of let our immune systems flex their muscles on day-to-day pathogens in general and then we will be fine against something like hepatitis. No, we won't, it doesn't work that way.
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Completely misrepresenting what I said in your usual disingenuous way. But what do you expect when you admittedly don't read what I say and just respond blindly. You are actually reinforcing what I said. While being exposed to the cold won't suddenly make you immune to smallpox it may make you better capable of dealing with cowpox and as has been documented exposure to cowpox builds immunity to smallpox. Cold is just an example. Any other pathogen may make you better capable of dealing with cowpox. Small harmless pathogens also may make you better at dealing with the cold or flu. So there's no half truth in what I say.

porchrat said:
Wait so there ARE different forms of aluminium??? Jeez this sciencey stuff is confusing man... better go check on Naturalnews to be sure! *herp derp*

Wait wait... your kidneys need to deal with it but your body is absorbing 100% of it. Is it being excreted or absorbed now? Jeez this sciencey stuff is confusing *herp derp*

You're going to have to explain this to me because obviously I can't read. *herp derp*
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Porch failing at reading or understanding again I see. Not only are there different forms of substances but also different routes of entry. You can ingest 250g of potassium. Try and see what 250mg of injected potassium will do.
 
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PhleeBag said:
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https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2015/03/26/top-govt-scientists-say-no-to-vaccines-for-their-kids/



Top gov’t. scientists say no to vaccines for their kids
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Also that article title is massively misleading. There is zero information as to which kids are not vaccinated and who their parents are. His logic behind that title is: some kids have exemptions from vaccinations in public schools in the town. Some people in the town work for medical labs. Therefore all the kids not vaccinated have parents that work for medical labs.

/facepalm
 
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Pox said:
I will take any article written by an Aids-denialist with a pinch of salt.
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Is he just one of those run-of-the-mill AIDS denialists that says HIV doesn't cause AIDS or is he like full blown crazy and thinks the CIA cooked up HIV in the 50s? (which I love BTW because if the government had that sort of technology in the bloody 50s we'd have some serious futuristic medical technology in the public by now. Stuff like individualised genetically tailored medicine by now)

Pox said:
Also that article title is massively misleading. There is zero information as to which kids are not vaccinated and who their parents are. His logic behind that title is: some kids have exemptions from vaccinations in public schools in the town. Some people in the town work for medical labs. Therefore all the kids not vaccinated have parents that work for medical labs.

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Dude it doesn't matter who they are. Don't you get it?!?!? They live in a city where SCIENCE HAPPENS. They must therefore be scientists... doing science... therefore studying vaccines... which are SCIENCE! DUH!! Stop drinking the Koolaid!!!! :mad:
 
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I'm not against vaccines in general, but against flu vaccines in particular. When I was in my early 20s, I was convinced into getting the flu shot. I was so sick afterwards, more sick from the flu than I'd ever been before. It was the kind of flu sick where even the shower spray hurt my skin. And I still caught the flu afterwards.

From that day on, I've stayed away from flu vaccines.
 
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Vaccines Produce Homosexuality, Says Italian Scientist

Gian Paolo Vanoli, a 70-year-old scientist, journalist and opponent of vaccinations, says that vaccines make people gay.

Vanoli, who's a proponent of alternative medicine, recently spoke with Vice Italy's Matteo Lenardon about his ideals.

Via a Huffington Post translation of the Vice interview:

The vaccine is introduced into the child, the child then grows and tries to find its own personality, and if this is inhibited by mercury or other substances present in the vaccine which enter the brain, the child becomes gay. The problem will especially be present in the next generations, because when gays have children, the children will carry along with them the DNA of their parent’s illness. Because homosexuality is a disease, even though the WHO has decided that it is not. Who cares! The reality is that it is so. Each vaccination produces homosexuality, because it prevents the formation of one’s personality. It is a microform of autism, if you will. You will see how many gays there will be in the next generation, it will be a disaster.
Despite these views, Vanoli insists he supports same-sex marriage and gay adoption. He doesn't "blame" gay people for their "illness," just as he wouldn't blame someone who "suffers from cancer or a heart attack," he told GayStarNews.

"But we have to say that it’s an illness, something that does not respect the order of life," he told the outlet. "One of the main causes is represented by vaccines, which go against life, disturbing our mind and our spirit. The proof of that is the big increase in the number of homosexuals. Since mass vaccination began, this is the result."

Some of Vanoli's arguments, however, have been disputed for more than 30 years.

In 1975, for example, the American Psychological Association removed homosexuality from its list of mental disorders, citing that "research has found no inherent association between any of these sexual orientations and psychopathology." The APA goes on to say that "no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors."

Gay rights in Italy continue to lag. Same-sex marriage is not legal in the country, and at least one top politician has publicly likened it to supporting pedophilia.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...exuality-gay-gian-paolo-vanoli_n_2992953.html


Vaccinate away people!!!! :D
 
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I suppose this belongs here

Abbott announces 'no jab, no pay' policy


Australian parents will lose thousands of dollars of childcare and welfare benefits if they refuse to vaccinate their kids.

The 'no jab, no pay' plan, announced by the federal government on Sunday, has bipartisan support.

Thousands of families could lose payments, with the government estimating about 39,000 children under seven have not received immunisation because their parents are vaccine objectors.

But Social Service Minister Scott Morrison said it's not fair for taxpayers to subsidise parents who choose not to immunise.

'The overwhelming advice of those in the health profession is it's the smart thing and the right thing to do to immunise your children,' Mr Morrison told reporters in Sydney.

The government says the number of parents opting for the 'conscientious objection' vaccination exemption for payments has more than doubled over the past decade.

The 'no jap, no pay' policy will remove it as an exemption from January 2016.

The Australian Medical Association, representing 27,000 doctors, backs the plan.

'Vaccination remains one of the most effective public health measures that we have,' AMA President Brian Owler told AAP.

'Whatever we can do to increase vaccination rates is important.'

Dr Owler does have some reservations. He's concerned the policy won't catch parents who don't need the benefits and could lead to children being excluded.

'Kids might get punished because of the position their parents make.'

But the rest of the community had to be protected, he said, particularly sick people such as those undergoing chemotherapy.

Under the plan, recommended by the Productivity Commission in a recent inquiry into child care, parents who decide against immunisations could be up to $15,000 worse off per child.

They would lose a childcare benefit of up to $205 a week, the childcare rebate of up to $7500 a year or the Family Tax Benefit A annual supplement of up to $726.

Children can still be exempted on medical or religious grounds, but Mr Morrison warns the latter exemption is 'very narrow'.

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten said Labor believed in the science of vaccinations and linking them to welfare payments.

'(I don't accept) people just claiming some sort of loose, undefined conscientious objection not to do the right thing by their children,' he told reporters in Melbourne.

But there are some who strongly oppose measures that mandate immunisation.

An online petition against compulsory vaccinations in Australia that states 'all parents deserve to make an uncoerced choice' has received more than 3000 signatures in five days.

Parents have taken to the change.org webpage to express their concerns about vaccinations and what they view is a potential encroachment on civil rights.

'My children, my choice and NOT the governments (sic),' Rima Helal wrote.

Another woman, Jody Fletcher, states: 'I will not put my child at risk from further damage from vaccinations'.

Some conscientious objectors fear vaccinations are linked to diseases such as autism.

But the bulk of scientific opinion holds that vaccinations are safe and that objection to immunisation endangers the community by lowering so-called herd immunity to diseases.

NSW preschools already require vaccinations to enrol children and Mr Morrison is hoping other states and territories will also co-operate.
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http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-...ildcare-rebate-plan.html#sthash.tlhce9Ff.dpuf
 
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A very sensible measure.

My children, my choice and NOT the governments (sic),' Rima Helal wrote.
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It's funny, she's willing to let the state feed her children through benefits though.
 
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David H. Gorski is an American surgical oncologist, Professor of surgery at Wayne State University School of Medicine, and a surgical oncologist at the Barbara Ann Karmanos Cancer Institute, specializing in breast cancer surgery.
He is a critic of alternative medicine and the anti-vaccination movement.
He is the author of a blog, Respectful Insolence, and is the managing editor of the website, Science-Based Medicine.
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prof. Gorski posts:
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/category/vaccines/
 
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