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Sign up with GoogleAny ideas, does Mbeki spend more time in or out of ZA?
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Hi All
Are there any official statistics on this, or, would it be hidden due to national security concerns?
Do you feel that with him been out, that it detracts from what he could/should be doing here?
Do you feel that he should be righting what is possibly wrong here before helping the rest of Africa?
Thanks
air
Would he pay tax, if he was more out than in?
Dunno, but maybe he ought to pay attention to history ... anyone remember Tricky Jannie Smuts?
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Don't think that a comparison can be made in this case - Smuts had far more important matters to be concerned about (WWII) than Mbeki currently faces.
Nah Mbeki has got far more work to do than the pesky 2ndWW. He's got to sort out a whole continent and 'correct' the wrongs of the past:
And so the question must arise about how we -- who, in a millennium, only managed to advance from cannibalism to a "blood-dimmed tide" of savages who still slaughter countless innocents with machetes, and on whom another, as black as I, has turned his back, grateful that his ancestors were slaves -- how do we hope to emulate the great human achievements of the earlier Renaissance of the Europe of the 15th and 16th centuries?
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Getting flown about in luxury private aircraft and staying at 5 star hotels at state expense is probably preferable to being at home explaining why South Africans are still living on the breadline in shacks.
---or maybe he does it to avoid his wife
---or maybe he does it to avoid his wife
prehaps when he's next here on a visit, cause he seems to spend more time in other countries than he does in his own country....he could also publicly announce that he will take personal responsibility to stamp out corruption in his government and that an example will be made of those found guilty.....but I wont hold my breath..........
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Our president is an Alien
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The problem here once again is perception, the apartheid government had no international relations to speak of, and so had no need to go around the world, with South Africa now being accepted back into the Global arena it is neccessarry for our leaders to travel, there are international obligations, like at the UN and continental obligations like in the DRC, then there is all the work that government does for SA when travelling internationally - remember that SA has a very wide and complex foreign policy - so while it may seem that the President travels widely for no r4eason, it is absolutely neccessary
Yes I agree, but you forget that President Mbeki considers himself both statesman and scholar ... the mistake (made by both) is the same however ...
There is no bigger legacy Mbeki can leave than a safe and truly functional South Africa. **** the UN, **** the DRC. Let them now sort out their own ****. We have urgent problems that can only be resolved by sacking the incompetents and putting in people capable of sorting out the problems. Once he does that, only then should he burn the midnight jet fuel. Till then, sit your arse down in SA and start being the South African president. Not even the worlds most important leaders (of which Mbeki is not even close) clock up as many voyager miles. If Mbeki wants to be a world leader, he should resign as the South African president now. What is the DRC doing for South Africa anyway?
Mbeki will not be in power during the World Cup - is this maybe why he isn't concerned?
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So by your reasoning the only President that would care about the future of the country, would be one who is "President for Life" so you would support a third term for Mbeki and probably think Mugabe is a great President
You really have very little reasoning capabilities. Mbeki would be a better South African president if he were here more. That's what most people actually have been saying (although clearly you disagree - how unusual). Now, how on earth do you make the jump between wanting the president to be more involved in the matters of the country (to improve South Africa) of which he is the president and a tin pot dictator like Robert Mugabe (who is actively ****ing up his country for his sole benefit)? Oh hang on, you try and create points out of thin air.
Now read carefully. If Mbeki wants to be the President, then he should be here in South Africa more. If he wants to travel, he should step down as president and opt for a position like the Minister of Foreign Affairs.
As a president, Thabo Mbeki sucks. He is the worst Post Apartheid president South Africa has now seen. He fails to assume responsibility for anything, he does not talk to the media and he does not keep his cabinet in check. He also has not followed through on countless promises to the South African people. In fact, even if JZ comes into power, he'll probably be a better president than Mbeki just from the point of view that Mbeki didn't set the bar very high. At least we know we're getting a moron from the beginning and won't be expecting too much.
He may be ambitious, but in all honesty, he has done more for other countries than his own. Perhaps he should try leading those countries instead. G*d knows he spends more of his time there anyway.
Compared to ... Nelson Mandela ... come on ... he would have to be the reincarnation of Ghandi, where he to even stand a chance of coming close.
No argument here ... he's "achieved" all of the above.
Now you're venturing into the realms of cloud cuckoo land, JZ is hardly a statesman ... he's a local hero at best and one who thinks showers will prevent AIDS, at that.
Ah ... back down to earth (hard isn't it??), better the devil we know eh?
Nelson Mandela was not actually much of a president either. In any event, the country has gone backwards since Mbeki came into power, and has continued along that path.
What has Thabo Mbeki achieved in South Africa?IanC said:
At least he acknowledges AIDS exists. Mbeki denied that HIV even causes AIDS for the better part of his first term. In fact, Mbeki never ever went back on that belief publicly.IanC said:
Thabo Mbeki likes to think of himsel as a philosopher. I am yet to see any real philosophical literature from the man. His weekly ANC collumn generally consists of Slamming the media, defending the ANC cronies, and praising the DRC. Hardly philosophically noteworthy.
JZ is too stupid to be the devil. In any case, the next president (he or she) will be a lot more under ANC control than Mbeki ever was.IanC said:
Oh, and statesman? Please tell me you're kidding. Jan Smuts was a statesman. Winston Churchill was a statesman. Thabo Mbeki is not a statesman. As long as he comes up with drivel such as this (http://www.anc.org.za/ancdocs/anctoday/2006/at48.htm) he qualifies as little more than a racist.