Any South African Indians who are former Pentecostal Christians here?

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You say those things like they are bad. Girls benefit financially from older husbands, animal sacrifice is no different than what's going on in a butcher/slaughterhouse and immolation of widows is seen as population reduction.
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Had a lot of run in's with aggressive Pentecostal pastors in Chatsworth when I was there doing some missionary work in my younger days. They seemed to really dislike us in particular as we had a fair amount of success converting their people when they found out that unlike their pastors we were a lay ministry (unpaid). They spread a lot of lies and random stuff about us to try stop people even engaging with us in any way or form.

I try not judge but it was a lot harder with some of those guys. Pastors asking for 40% tithing, 10% of the church, 10% for the new building fund, 10% of the poor, etc. They generally rode around in merc's or something similar and would pick up their prostitutes in neighboring communities to try hide it from the flock. Not all where that bad but many where.

The worst was when one of those big faith healer type con-men came out from the states. All those Pentecostal's advertised the coming and they rented out a huge stadium. When he arrived with his huge entourage he took out a whole floor on a very fancy hotel in Umhlanga. I was good friends with someone who knew the manager of that hotel and apparently they refused to do the usual security checks. When management pushed saying they had to they allowed only the manager in and said he could not talk about anything he saw. What he found was that a lot of this guys hangers on and bodyguards where paid actors with wheelchairs, wigs, fake prosthetics, the works. The healing was all a big sham. The sad part was at the event people would take off their wedding rings to give to that charlatan.
Are you talking about the Christian Revival Centre in Chatsworth? Those guys are pretty radical and they seem big on the whole hell concept.
 

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You say those things like they are bad. Girls benefit financially from older husbands, animal sacrifice is no different than what's going on in a butcher/slaughterhouse and immolation of widows is seen as population reduction.
Sometimes we have to understand things in context. For instance, child labor from an outsider's view seems like its bad (and in many cases is) but if we put ourselves into some societies, the consequences of ending it right now but actually create worse problems and destroy families even more.
 

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I was brought up Hindu, but attended church when I stayed with my Catholic aunt atleast once every 2 months.
Currently I dont practise any religion but I have had quite a few friends who tried to convert me over the years.I never experienced the ridicule of Hinduism, but have heard many stories such as the one you mention.I think there is a huge push from the powers that be (Not God) to develop these churches(some of them look like nightclubs) and to convert people and it seems like they are succeeding.

It my be due to the fact that our customs are all passed down generation to generation with no actual explanation of what is going on and what is the purpose of this.Ritual practices in Hinduism can get very lengthy(Think Kavadi, general prayers at a house), and there is a whole lot to do in order to officially be recognaised by God, whereas in Christianity all you need is a bible and a prayer to communicate to God.Many of the people that I know do not like the actual ritual practices involved in Hinduism - maybe they want an easier religion to follow and this is where Christianity comes in.
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OP, do you really need an instruction guide to find purpose? That's all mainstream religion really is.

If you would like to step back and consider religion in more of a logical and philosophical sense, I would suggest looking into Zen / Tao Buddhism. If you exclude Shiva, Kali and all of the other deities, and focus on the underlying principles of mindfulness, attention, love and compassion, there might be some value to you. It might even further reinforce your decision to follow Christianity.

Check YouTube for people like Jiddu Krishnamurti, Ram Dass, Alan Watts, Eckhart Tolle and Sadhguru.

The only reason I suggest this is that I was agnostic for most of my life. Most of my logical questions to pastors, imams etc. were met with some nonsensical scripture-related answer that never seemed to answer even the most simple, logical questions.

That being said, I have nothing to teach, nothing to prove, and whatever truth you settle on is yours alone.
 

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The only reason I suggest this is that I was agnostic for most of my life. Most of my logical questions to pastors, imams etc. were met with some nonsensical scripture-related answer that never seemed to answer even the most simple, logical questions.
That's got nothing necessarily to do with any particular religion though.... expecting your local religious leader to be able to explain everything in a way everyone needs it explained is in itself illogical. It's like expecting frontline call centre personnel to actually fix all your problems even the one's you need specialists for.

I don't know about Islam but I as a Christian have found that if you are patient enough and look hard enough all your answers are eventually answered but someone somehow. Speaking for myself I have found that after a certain level of spiritual maturation many answers get almost randomly answered, this seems to indicate some force managing my thought patterns occasionally with the answers coming through me but from a foreign source..... and never faster than I am able to process them to the extent needed.

The key is to follow the foundational force of the religion not mere mortal fallable men with their own limits and preconceptions. This is especially important in a modern world where most leaders are mere hirelings or scam artists, it's like expecting good weed from a common hustler.
 

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Sometimes we have to understand things in context. For instance, child labor from an outsider's view seems like its bad (and in many cases is) but if we put ourselves into some societies, the consequences of ending it right now but actually create worse problems and destroy families even more.
Actually I have noticed that the lack of constructive childhood occupation has helped retard the personal growth of modern generations. The entitlement culture especially rose partially because of it..... we all spoilt little rich kids now in a sense bitching about problems that are not really problems as if they matter but being unable to provide the same quality of consistent labour that previous generations did.
 

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Are you talking about the Christian Revival Centre in Chatsworth? Those guys are pretty radical and they seem big on the whole hell concept.
Sorry, don't recall. It was 20+ years ago.
 

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Actually I have noticed that the lack of constructive childhood occupation has helped retard the personal growth of modern generations. The entitlement culture especially rose partially because of it..... we all spoilt little rich kids now in a sense bitching about problems that are not really problems as if they matter but being unable to provide the same quality of consistent labour that previous generations did.
I was referring more to hardcore child labour like children working full-time and not going to school. The consequences of ending it now could be bad for the very poor socities.
 
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I was referring more to hardcore child labour like children working full-time and not going to school. The consequences of ending it now could have bad consequences for the very poor socities.
OK but you have to specify, these days paying a kid to mow your lawn is also called child labour.... technically and legally.
 

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OK but you have to specify, these days paying a kid to mow your lawn is also called child labour.... technically and legally.
Is it? I know that many teens get odd jobs during their school holidays or at least they used to when I was in school (2013 and before).
 

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Is it? I know that many teens get odd jobs during their school holidays or at least they used to when I was in school (2013 and before).
Technically allowing a minor to work for money is illegal as far as I know under our wonderful labour laws, like most things illegal though it's possibly very selectively enforced in SA though.
 

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Technically allowing a minor to work for money is illegal as far as I know under our wonderful labour laws,
I'm not a law expert but I don't think this applies to part-time work. I recall a friend of mine doing part-time work for Mr Price and he was definitely under 18 at the time.
 

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That's got nothing necessarily to do with any particular religion though.... expecting your local religious leader to be able to explain everything in a way everyone needs it explained is in itself illogical. It's like expecting frontline call centre personnel to actually fix all your problems even the one's you need specialists for.

I don't know about Islam but I as a Christian have found that if you are patient enough and look hard enough all your answers are eventually answered but someone somehow. Speaking for myself I have found that after a certain level of spiritual maturation many answers get almost randomly answered, this seems to indicate some force managing my thought patterns occasionally with the answers coming through me but from a foreign source..... and never faster than I am able to process them to the extent needed.

The key is to follow the foundational force of the religion not mere mortal fallable men with their own limits and preconceptions. This is especially important in a modern world where most leaders are mere hirelings or scam artists, it's like expecting good weed from a common hustler.
By your questions of spiritual cultivation being seemingly "randomly" answered in your experience, perhaps it is being inferred that your thought patterns and preconceptions are standing in your way. Perhaps it is time to start letting go of thought.
 

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By your questions of spiritual cultivation being seemingly "randomly" answered in your experience, perhaps it is being inferred that your thought patterns and preconceptions are standing in your way. Perhaps it is time to start letting go of thought.
Nope, intellectual doubt is what proves belief in some ways. Unless you struggle/wrestle with something and have explored the incorrect paths you can never be sure your answers are correct. The trick is to not get lost in all the rabit holes like a stereotypical conspiracy theory nutcase or fanatical multiculturalist that believes all things equally even though they contradict completely. Basically the heaviest lifting gets done for me but I still need to keep an open mind and do my part regardless of the idea being brought to my attention.

I have found that as long as I stay honest and want the truth regardless of where it leads me I always end up finding it, not necessarily understanding it fully but that's where acceptance of mortal or personal limits comes in.

All the things I have rejected like macro evolution leading to humans, man driven global warming, atheism, marxism, wicca being a spiritually positive religion etc. All these things I have rejected on intellectual grounds, it just took some time exploring them and giving them honest evaluation instead of relying on (superficial) either emotional acceptance or rejection.

Put another way my previous preconceptions have been assaulted, defended where able but inevitably overwhelmed by the sheer weight of truth.... and now I am convinced of their falsity in a way that previously I could not have been..... and the work is never really done because there are always more preconceptions to find and work on.
 
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