Apple Censorship: This Time It's Displays

[Rouxenator]

Apple computers are often confused with Macs, which are toffees or waterproof raincoats depending on your fetish.

SBR Macs are my favorite ! A friend ours in the UK sent one as a gift for my wife, it is hand made and costs about £600
Damn - what a sexy coat that is...
Really - I'm not joking :

 

[BobJones]

Do you spend lots of lonely Saturday afternoons at the end of the platform taking notes on the train schedule?

 

[PeterCH]

..you will notice the crummy TN based Samsung does not have gradient color issues ?

Who said they didn't? You? Live in bliss, only once you notice the defects, the poor contrast, excessive brightness and poor colour saturation do you realise how things suck.

Colour banding issues are not new. Dell 24WPF monitors from 2-3 yr's back had these issues. These were S-IPS/MVA/PVA based screens but they had banding. It was the video processor which was responsible. That's why I bought the 2nd gen Dell 30 inch S-IPS with a true 8bit+ video processor and a true 8bit screen.

 

[PeterCH]

yeah, the mac section is pretty dead....seems like most MyBB Techies use Windows or something

Exactly. The people who use Macs are usually NOT techies but end users.

 

[Rouxenator]

Dude, my Logik LCD TV and Philips 17" LCD shows enough colors already - every shade of RGB you can dream of. Any more colors would be illegal as I would be on LSD or something.

Paying that much for something so over the top is wrong. When buying anything apple, first check with Fruit&Veg city what they are actually worth.

 

[icyrus]

Exactly. The people who use Macs are usually NOT techies but end users.

Or there are less issues to discuss.

 

[PeterCH]

Dude, my Logik LCD TV and Philips 17" LCD shows enough colors already - every shade of RGB you can dream of. Any more colors would be illegal as I would be on LSD or something.

The cheaper panels are cheaper because they are 6bit and DiFRC. You can tell the difference with the appearance of colour banding in certain high gradient scenes. Also, cheaper panels have a worse quality backlight - they pump up the brightness to compensate for poor contrast - you can't dim the screen down all the way and still retain proper colour representation and saturation. The viewing angles are also bad on cheaper LCDs. Even expensive LCDs suffer from these problems. For TV or movie watching PLASMA and OLED displays are the way to go, LCD (even Samsung's 'LED' TV) are not it.

Paying that much for something so over the top is wrong. When buying anything apple, first check with Fruit&Veg city what they are actually worth.

People value different things. You like raw CPU/GPU processing power. You can buy a nice i7 system but at the end you end up playing GAMEZ on it or running a botnet as the worms and viruses pwn your Windoze. A Mac user pays a similar sum for a slower CPU and GPU but gets to run a far better OS and programs at the same perceived speed and ends up spending his time productively and in a most pleasurable way (for spending time productively that is).

 

[Rouxenator]

Actually my Philips is an 8bit per color unit since it does 16.7m colours, not 16.2 as you would get from a 6 bit dithering unit.

Sure, some people buy pricey intel rigs with massive graphics cards and then they play games on it or click and fondle every binary out there on the interslut. These are people with too much money and too little of a clue on how to spend it.

Then you get folks like me, with a R4k AMD computers using onboard graphics - for the money we pay we get a lot more performance per rand than the intel guys or the mac guys. Since we are smarter than the average bear we do not engage in shameless exe orgies and we have proper protection setup on out computers.

So you see it is really more a question of intelligence and knowing a good thing when you see it.

 

[PeterCH]

Actually my Philips is an 8bit per color unit since it does 16.7m colours, not 16.2 as you would get from a 6 bit dithering unit.

That's what they say. Those panels may even be 8 bit but the circuitry is 6bit to allow a cheap screen. You always get what you pay for, if it's cheap it's worth its price. The contrast is still bad, there is ghosting and the viewing angle sucks - depending where you sit, you see different colours.

Now, maybe your Philips is not necessarily like this but the Philips of today is not the same Philips of 20 years ago. Buying a top quality plasma - like a Pioneer or Panasonic will give you better picture than any LED or CCFL backlit LCD TV - Bravia, Qualia or Samsung 8 Series Range.

Sure, some people buy pricey intel rigs with massive graphics cards and then they play games on it or click and fondle every binary out there on the interslut. These are people with too much money and too little of a clue on how to spend it.

No. These are people who spend R10K on an i5/7 rig with a 3D GPU. They get so many more GIGAHERTZ than Mac users to play da gamez and run da botnetz.

Then you get folks like me, with a R4k AMD computers using onboard graphics - for the money we pay we get a lot more performance per rand than the intel guys or the mac guys. Since we are smarter than the average bear we do not engage in shameless exe orgies and we have proper protection setup on out computers.

Well your AMD still runs Windoze and the other viruses.

So you see it is really more a question of intelligence and knowing a good thing when you see it.

Hehe.

 

[Rouxenator]

While it is true that windows is so ubiquitous that virus writers tend to target it, the amount of infected windows computers are probably the same percentage as apple has market share. Newer versions of Windows, like 7 - the greatest OS mankind ever built, comes with some level of built in protection so even your average apple-minded user will not easily get it infected.

Back to the topic at hand - Apple made dodgy displays - people complained and apple turned a blind eye. Lets take this in the PC world.

Samsung/Philips makes a bad display - people complain about it and get a LG/Acer/Sony instead. Samsung/Philips now needs to make up for the booboo.

Or with denial :

Seagate makes a batch of drives with a firmware bug that renders the drive unbootable in some cases. They keep on denying it - people buy WD/Samsung hard-drive and Seagate is forced to admit the problem and release a fix for it. They habe a bad reputation that will take years to recover from.

See, that is the power of choice and companies needing to be on their best behavior to win buyers.

 

[Sackboy]

I think the point is if you buy a Mac, you don't always know what cr@p they're putting in the darned thing, but the price is high so you expect the best.

 

[PeterCH]

I think the point is if you buy a Mac, you don't always know what cr@p they're putting in the darned thing, but the price is high so you expect the best.

Since when do you know what Dell or HP put in?

Ah you're one of the self-assemblers. You trust Gigabyte, Asus, MSI instead.

 

[Sackboy]

Since when do you know what Dell or HP put in?

Ah you're one of the self-assemblers. You trust Gigabyte, Asus, MSI instead.

The specs and manufacturer of their monitors are known, discussed freely and often tested. I've not heard them make false claims about colours.

 

[subxero]

Why do threads always turn into Apple fanbois vs. Windows fanbois? Rather childish... (like gehybois arguing length vs girth...LOL)

Anyways... On Topic!

Apple do delete posts on their forums when it comes to major hardware malfunction. We experienced the same thing a few years ago when the 17" i-macs had the problem of coloured vertical lines appearing on the LCD display after a few months of use. We had 3 i-macs with the same issue. The thread, in which hundreds of i-mac users complaining of the same problem, was locked (by Apple). We started a new thread - but the thread was deleted within 12 hours of being up. After a lot of e-mails to various Apple staff, we eventually managed to get them to admit that our warranty should cover the malfunction (local support claimed it was not a valid warranty claim) . The 3 machines had to be sent away causing havoc in our studio as far as production was concerned.
A year later... one by one. each one of the 3 machines have developed the same malfunction. Apple refused to cover the repairs again. So we ended up buying independant (21" LG) LCD monitors to solve the problem.

 

[crysis]

and run da botnetz.

Hi,


Do you have any scientific proof to back up your claims that all windows machines are susceptible to botnet? If not, then please inform us as to why you make these outrageous claims, with which absolutely no evidence is brought fourth to support them.

 

[Rouxenator]

Yeah - and include version numbers too - no point in outlining how prone to attack Windows 4 (95~ME) was when no one used them anymore.

 

[adsl3g]

Ho Hum, this is getting boring..! please move this to off topic where it belongs.

 

[Rouxenator]

What you mean to say there is a special place on this forum for Rouxenatorism ?

 

[Sputnik]

What you mean to say there is a special place on this forum for Rouxenatorism ?

No, go play with you AMD buddies.

 

[Rouxenator]

No, go play with you AMD buddies.

I have no buddies.