Arctic ice melt 'like adding 20 years of CO2 emissions'

[Indigogirl]

and in the meantime...

http://earthsky.org/earth/2012-arctic-sea-ice-extent-lowest-ever-recorded

 

[killadoob]

"more cosmic rays higher earth temp"... huh? Evidence suggest it is the opposite...

http://www.netplaces.com/guide-to-2...lar-system/cosmic-rays-and-climate-change.htm

There are theories but there is certainly no evidence that cosmic rays cool or heat our planet, the only honest opinion is we do not know.

I may be wrong but read that article. It could lead to cooling or warming depending on the situation, the honest opinion should be that scientists have no fking clue. Instead we are fed BS and some just believe it because they read it in an article.

Very interesting topic though, the likes of ghoti will tell us it's all lies and the sun cannot be dictating whether our planet cools or warms even though it has been for millions of years.

2012 is the solar maximum, 2013 should get cooler they reckon. Then again they do not even know for sure .

 

[Techne]

http://www.netplaces.com/guide-to-2...lar-system/cosmic-rays-and-climate-change.htm

There are theories but there is certainly no evidence that cosmic rays cool or heat our planet, the only honest opinion is we do not know.

I may be wrong but read that article. It could lead to cooling or warming depending on the situation, the honest opinion should be that scientists have no fking clue. Instead we are fed BS and some just believe it because they read it in an article.

Very interesting topic though, the likes of ghoti will tell us it's all lies and the sun cannot be dictating whether our planet cools or warms even though it has been for millions of years.

2012 is the solar maximum, 2013 should get cooler they reckon. Then again they do not even know for sure .

There is evidence that cosmic rays cool the earth through increased cloud formation. The article you posted in this post being quoted actually discusses some of that evidence.

 

[killadoob]

The effects of increased cosmic dust and radiation entering the solar system will be likely to accelerate by 2012.

According to these scientists, whether the planet cools or heats up depends on the balance of solar activity and cosmic radiation.

So to me it seems the jury is out, it is only one article and obviously it's not fact.

 

[Techne]

Well, the research done by Dr. Nir Shavi (the article you posted) point to facts whereby increased cosmic rays correlate with various ice ages. His work is also talked about in the videos linked above. Have a look. It's quite fascinating.

 

[Techne]

Antarctic Sea Ice Sets Another Record. No doubt due to Anthropogenic Global Warming right?

 

[killadoob]

Bwhahahahahahaha

GHOTI BWHAHAHAHHAHA come ghoti where you at bro.

Pole reversal imminent!!!!!!!

 

[empirex]

Antarctic Sea Ice Sets Another Record

Climate change can't seem to make up it's mind.

Antarctic Sea Ice Sets Another Record

Antarctic sea ice set another record this past week, with the most amount of ice ever recorded on day 256 of the calendar year (September 12 of this leap year). Please, nobody tell the mainstream media or they might have to retract some stories and admit they are misrepresenting scientific data.

National Public Radio (NPR) published an article on its website last month claiming, “Ten years ago, a piece of ice the size of Rhode Island disintegrated and melted in the waters off Antarctica. Two other massive ice shelves along the Antarctic Peninsula had suffered similar fates a few years before. The events became poster children for the effects of global warming. … There’s no question that unusually warm air triggered the final demise of these huge chunks of ice.”

NPR failed to mention anywhere in its article that Antarctic sea ice has been growing since satellites first began measuring the ice 33 years ago and the sea ice has been above the 33-year average throughout 2012.

Indeed, none of the mainstream media are covering this important story. A Google News search of the terms Antarctic, sea ice and record turns up not a single article on the Antarctic sea ice record. Amusingly, page after page of Google News results for Antarctic sea ice record show links to news articles breathlessly spreading fear and warning of calamity because Arctic sea ice recently set a 33-year low.

Sea ice around one pole is shrinking while sea ice around another pole is growing. This sure sounds like a global warming crisis to me.

Update: To provide more perspective on global warming and Antarctica, I would like to update this column with some additional information:

As meteorologist Anthony Watts explains, new data show ice mass is accumulating on the Antarctic continent as well as in the ocean surrounding Antarctica. The new data contradict an assertion by global warming alarmists that the expanding Antarctic sea ice is coming at the expense of a decline in Antarctic continental ice.

The new data also add context to sensationalist media stories about declining ice in small portions of Antarctica, such as portions of West Antarctica and the Antarctic Peninsula (see here, for example). The mainstream media frequently publish stories focusing on ice loss in these two areas, yet the media stories rarely if ever mention that ice is accumulating over the larger area of East Antarctica and that the continent as a whole is gaining snow and ice mass.

Interestingly, a new NASA study finds Antarctica once supported vegetation similar to that of present-day Iceland.

“The southward movements of rain bands associated with a warmer climate in the high-latitude southern hemisphere made the margins of Antarctica less like a polar desert, and more like present-day Iceland,” a co-author of the NASA study reports.

 

[empirex]

Antarctic Sea Ice Sets Another Record. No doubt due to Anthropogenic Global Warming right?

Ah see you posted that article already.
Think I'll leave it there anyway

 

[w1z4rd]

http://www.skepticalscience.com/antarctica-gaining-ice.htm

One must also be careful how you interpret trends in Antarctic sea ice. Currently this ice is increasing and has been for years but is this the smoking gun against climate change? Not quite. Antarctic sea ice is gaining because of many different reasons but the most accepted recent explanations are listed below:

i) Ozone levels over Antarctica have dropped causing stratospheric cooling and increasing winds which lead to more areas of open water that can be frozen (Gillet 2003, Thompson 2002, Turner 2009).

and

ii) The Southern Ocean is freshening because of increased rain, glacial run-off and snowfall. This changes the composition of the different layers in the ocean there causing less mixing between warm and cold layers and thus less melted sea ice (Zhang 2007).

All the sea ice talk aside, it is quite clear that really when it comes to Antarctic ice, sea ice is not the most important thing to measure. In Antarctica, the most important ice mass is the land ice sitting on the West Antarctic Ice Sheet and the East Antarctic Ice Sheet.

Im just posting this for people that can learn.

 

[Techne]

http://www.skepticalscience.com/antarctica-gaining-ice.htm

Im just posting this for people that can learn.

Looks like “Skeptical Science” will have to update their reliance on the “Cophagen Diagnosis” as well as their claim of “Antarctica is losing land ice as a whole, and these losses are accelerating quickly.”

 

[empirex]

http://www.skepticalscience.com/antarctica-gaining-ice.htm

Im just posting this for people that can learn.

Good thing that source hasn't committed to climate change as settled science with all this contradicting evidence, hey

 

[w1z4rd]

Good thing that source hasn't committed to climate change as settled science with all this contradicting evidence, hey

I havent seen any contradicting evidence. Just uninformed layman arguments. The scientific consensus on this is clear

The main conclusions of the IPCC on global warming were the following:
The global average surface temperature has risen 0.6 ± 0.2 °C since the late 19th century, and 0.17 °C per decade in the last 30 years.[6]
"There is new and stronger evidence that most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities", in particular emissions of the greenhouse gases carbon dioxide and methane.[7]

If greenhouse gas emissions continue the warming will also continue, with temperatures projected to increase by 1.4 °C to 5.8 °C between 1990 and 2100. Accompanying this temperature increase will be increases in some types of extreme weather and a projected sea level rise.[8] On balance the impacts of global warming will be significantly negative, especially for larger values of warming.[9]

No scientific body of national or international standing has maintained a dissenting opinion; the last was the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, which in 2007 updated its 1999 statement rejecting the likelihood of human influence on recent climate with its current non-committal position.[10][11] Some other organizations, primarily those focusing on geology, also hold non-committal positions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

 

[Techne]

Good thing that source hasn't committed to climate change as settled science with all this contradicting evidence, hey

How can there be contradicting evidence if increase in Antarctic mass and ice extent is evidence for Anthropogenic Global Warming?

It really is a wonderful theory. All evidence is for the theory.

And if there is even a whiff that the evidence suggest otherwise then you can alway employ the argument from authority fallacy.

Anyway, that article about Antarctica you linked was interesting:
Study Finds Ancient Warming Greened Antarctica

Who knows, if all this alarmism turns out to be true I might want to buy a farm there .

 

[Jab]

 

[be.plato]

Well here is some good news:

Link

Antarctic ice pack is increasing in size.