Are Jews Correct about the Messiah?

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This thread ran its course in June, the discussion is finished. Some twerp registered today & posted a wall of BS, resurrecting the thread. Me and a couple of hours spent 30 minutes or so taking the piss. It's done...
But you have read it today right? The thread goes on.:) Are you still angry at me because of this afternoon. I hope not.:)
 

Jenemesis

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Yeshua has not come as Messiah...Yet

Yeshua fulfilled over 100 Torah prophesies as the Passover Lamb, He has yet to come as the Messiah (being the King and conquerer and Redeemer of Israel etc)
The Jews did not accept Him as Messiah because He did not make Israel a mighty nation the FIRST time He came.
He had to die to shed the blood required for remission of sins as the continuing blodd from sacrifices to be made righteous under the Law was insufficient and it was typological, like all the typological Feasts of the Lord that He is still fulfilling.
Yeshua specifically said that He would return after the 2000 years that the Gentiles would trample Israel (He said two days as a day in the Lord is a thousand years) and that time is drawing to a close as He died at the age of 33
He is yet to come as the King, He had to fulfill the Passover Feast first, there are four of the seven Feasts that need to still be fulfilled by Him
 

Aqua_lung

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Yeshua fulfilled over 100 Torah prophesies as the Passover Lamb, He has yet to come as the Messiah (being the King and conquerer and Redeemer of Israel etc)
The Jews did not accept Him as Messiah because He did not make Israel a mighty nation the FIRST time He came.
He had to die to shed the blood required for remission of sins as the continuing blodd from sacrifices to be made righteous under the Law was insufficient and it was typological, like all the typological Feasts of the Lord that He is still fulfilling.
Yeshua specifically said that He would return after the 2000 years that the Gentiles would trample Israel (He said two days as a day in the Lord is a thousand years) and that time is drawing to a close as He died at the age of 33
He is yet to come as the King, He had to fulfill the Passover Feast first, there are four of the seven Feasts that need to still be fulfilled by Him
That's what Muslims believe.

Jesus is not recognized by Jews for claiming to be God.
 

za1

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That's what Muslims believe.

Jesus is not recognized by Jews for claiming to be God.
this makes some interesting reading, I will link and post a small portion:

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=128&view=item&idx=1347

Rabbi Reveals Name of the Messiah

Shortly before he died, one of Israel's most prominent rabbis wrote the name of the Messiah on a small note which he requested would remain sealed until now. When the note was opened, it revealed what many have known for centuries: Yehoshua, or Yeshua (Jesus), is the Messiah
 
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Yeshua specifically said that He would return after the 2000 years that the Gentiles would trample Israel (He said two days as a day in the Lord is a thousand years) and that time is drawing to a close as He died at the age of 33
Your arguments rests on the fact that a day is equal to 1000 years.
What if he meant 2 days?
 

Grant

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but the second coming was an invention after the fact that he failed and they were proved wrong.

Regarding "The Second Coming"..

As confirmed, the followers of Jesus have been duped, the period of the second coming has come and gone.
the same can be said for muslims duped into believing muhammad travelled from mecca to jerusalem and back on a flying donkey - an invention.



but it's a plagiarized religion stolen from Jews.
as is islam
 
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So in conclusion Jews are absolutely correct, Jesus cannot be the Messiah, Christianity is successful thanks to the first followers sending it to the untapped European market and Constantine making it official but it's a plagiarized religion stolen from Jews.
Where in Judaism is there a story about a god dying for his people and being reborn 3 days later? Hint: you won't find it. On the other hand, such stories are rife within the pagan traditions.

http://www.truthbeknown.com/mithra.htm

https://jdstone.org/cr/files/mithraschristianity.html
 

Techne

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*Bump

I still wonder if Jews/Judaism (and indirectly Islam?) might be right?
Maybe ask those religious Jews who pray to Satan or any of the other male or female gods they pray to to get you an answer? They do have a certain hatred or disdain for Christians though, so they may be a bit biased when they pray in a different language to try and fool the angels.
 
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