Are manual cars still a thing? Is there even a future for the old gear stick?

Geoff.D

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I have honestly never looked at features as you describe them when looking for my next car, my current car actually has less features than my last.
Agree. The basics is what I look at, the "features" or "fashion engineering" rubbish actually puts me off. If the Salesman starts with those, I stop him immediately and ask for the nitty-gritty, not the glamour.
 

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Agree. The basics is what I look at, the "features" or "fashion engineering" rubbish actually puts me off. If the Salesman starts with those, I stop him immediately and ask for the nitty-gritty, not the glamour.
Been shopping for a new ride recently. Problem is that most I've found that I like have all the bells and whistles as standard now.
 

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but features, otherwise why would you buy a new car these days, and not buy something cheap and simple like a Toyota Tazz:laugh:

its like some Peugeot's come with a built in air freshener, why, because features for features sake.

I believe the term is "fashion engineering"

otherwise, people wouldn't buy new cars and would stick with their old car until the wheels come off.

I'd like a safer (NCAP) new car and some other reasons (blind spot indication light for example), but really don't need keyless entry and starting and stop/start and whatever other nonsense.
 

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Remember when oil/lubricant advertisers told us the majority of damage to the internals of an engine happen when you start it? I remember a Castrol ad like that.
Some of the wear happens not because of lubrication, but because when cold, there's condensation, and the exhaust gases (sulphur dioxide) dissolve in water to form sulphuric acid, corroding bores.


And while reading up on this, I see stop-start systems typically improve fuel economy by 3-10%.
 

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I like bells, whistles, buttons, screens etc. in my car. Horses for courses I guess.
 

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Some of the wear happens not because of lubrication, but because when cold, there's condensation, and the exhaust gases (sulphur dioxide) dissolve in water to form sulphuric acid, corroding bores.


And while reading up on this, I see stop-start systems typically improve fuel economy by 3-10%.

On paper and in tightly controlled test conditions on contrived testbeds. No bearing on the real-world conditions.
 

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I like bells, whistles, buttons, screens etc. in my car. Horses for courses I guess.
True. All clever marketing tricks to try and fool the buying population into thinking they are "getting a good deal"
 

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Auto, CVT and Triptonic will never match a Manual in efficiency. On all those other mentioned there is slip, Where a manual is a mechanical lock from engine to rubber.\

And no Geoff. We are talking about Rotational motion... Not reciprocating motion...
 
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Auto, CVT and Triptonic will never match a Manual in efficiency. On all those other mentioned there is slip, Where a manual is a mechanical lock from engine to rubber.
Never heard of a lock-up torque converter?
 

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True. All clever marketing tricks to try and fool the buying population into thinking they are "getting a good deal"
Do cars need all the bells and whistles? Probably not. They also don't need 3.0 V6 turbo engines with 7 speed dual clutch gearboxes but that is what some of us want. You might be happy with your 1970 Corolla with a 4 speed manual gearbox (or whatever you drive) and good for you. It just isn't for me. I guess that's the beauty of free will and not everybody liking the same boring old thing.
 

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Never heard of a lock-up torque converter?
Was looking at one for my cobra on the BBF. It only locks up during no acceleration...Which means you will only save on long level roads if you don't tow anything heavy. To get torque out of the Torque converter you need it to spin...And you need drag on the oil...
 

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Was looking at one for my cobra on the BBF. It only locks up during no acceleration...Which means you will only save on long level roads if you don't tow anything heavy. To get torque out of the Torque converter you need it to spin...And you need drag on the oil...
Not on proper, modern cars. It locks up above a certain rpm regardless of load.
 

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I have a manual car, and I love it - but I do always look forward to driving the old man's 520d with the ZF auto and my friend's GTI with the DSG. I'm honestly 50/50 here. I can happily and readily do both.
 

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Not on proper, modern cars. It locks up above a certain rpm regardless of load.
I don't doubt the technology has improved. At some point you still have slip. Make no mistake. Traffic is a dream!!!!
 

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I have a manual car, and I love it - but I do always look forward to driving the old man's 520d with the ZF auto and my friend's GTI with the DSG. I'm honestly 50/50 here. I can happily and readily do both.
Good. The issue is an industry that wants to "force" the motoring public into one solution. It is not about automatics per se, it is about removing the choice and doing it by propagating BS
 

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A computer controlled gearbox will always outperform a manual driver. Ferrari has Removed all manual options to favor faster shifting. The perfect Toe-Heel Downshift into a sharp corner will always give you a more intense adrenaline rush and satisfaction than a stupid paddle shift button thingy...
 

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Good. The issue is an industry that wants to "force" the motoring public into one solution. It is not about automatics per se, it is about removing the choice and doing it by propagating BS

What specific BS are they propagating though?
 

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That 3-10% was actually in real-world conditions. https://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/features/do-stop-start-systems-really-save-fuel.html

It typical city traffic, there's no question that you'll save fuel. I'm happy enough about it. I suspect it does help in those countries with an amber warning before the lights go green, so that you're ready.
Those the same manufacturers that claimed their diesel engines were well within the pollution limits, too?

Honestly, I think the other "newer" technology is going to be far better for fuel efficiency, namely cylinder on demand.
 
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