Are manual cars still a thing? Is there even a future for the old gear stick?

[The Voice]

Both items are, unfortunately, increasingly difficult to avoid, these days.
As I have stated before, our "preferences" as customers are being whittled away to the point where we are fast getting back to the original limitation.

"You can have any colour you like so long as it is black".

Weird, I always thought manufacturers would naturally gravitate towards chains. Almost zero maintenance, and they last forever because they're made of metal. You generally never have to replace them... oh, right. There in lies the problem when your primary reason for existence as an organisation is to make money.

 

[Quey_Quick]

Who raised the millenials and Gen Z's?

Mostly Baby Boomers

 

[Rhein]

Both items are, unfortunately, increasingly difficult to avoid, these days.
As I have stated before, our "preferences" as customers are being whittled away to the point where we are fast getting back to the original limitation.

"You can have any colour you like so long as it is black".

Many of the hypes and modifications on new models are there because of legislation and OEMs have to adhere to the rules. So I agree that today's vehicles are not what the consumer actually wants but he has to choose what the OEM has to produce according to law, much of it is emission control..
More so too, are the action groups who insist that they know better and influence product development. In my mind this is certainly the case when safety features are listed. **** it, ten and plenty air bags, cameras, speed controls and design to minimise damage to pedestrians! One of these days we shall have to wear crash helmets and cars will have ejection seats.

 

[Crowley]

1. There is no way that I would consider a car that has an unswitchoffable stop start system.

I don't get the hate for stop/start systems. I stop at a red traffic light and my engine stops. The light turns green, I press the pedal and the car goes.

Why all the hate?

 

[Claymore]

Maintained same story for 20 years, must be true lol

Well...I powered my way into the corner, and ended on the brakes, oops.

 

[ToxicBunny]

I don't get the hate for stop/start systems. I stop at a red traffic light and my engine stops. The light turns green, I press the pedal and the car goes.

Why all the hate?

Because they're fsck off annoying....

 

[Geoff.D]

I don't get the hate for stop/start systems. I stop at a red traffic light and my engine stops. The light turns green, I press the pedal and the car goes.

Why all the hate?

The "hate" comes from the very idea that it is a good idea to keep stopping and starting an internal combustion engine in the first place. It has always been a very bad idea to continually stop and start an engine for all sorts of reasons.
Next is because, on some cars, it can't be switched off and on other cars, drivers try and prevent this by keeping on crawling forward, either because they do not know how to switch it off or because it can't be switched off.

PLUS: The so-called fuel savings and emission control aspects are mostly on paper and testbeds. In real life, the "savings" and "reductions" are so small as to be not worth the trouble.

 

[The Voice]

Because they're fsck off annoying....

And for a lot of cars (especially cheaper ones that have it) there's a noticeable delay. And it's already been shown that it doesn't actually conserve as much fuel as just idling does, either. So what exactly is the point?

 

[Geoff.D]

And for a lot of cars (especially cheaper ones that have it) there's a noticeable delay. And it's already been shown that it doesn't actually conserve as much fuel as just idling does, either. So what exactly is the point?

Snap!

 

[Crowley]

The "hate" comes from the very idea that it is a good idea to keep stopping and starting an internal combustion engine in the first place. It has always been Avery bad idea to continually stop and start and engine for all sorts of reasons.
Next is because, on some cars, it can't be switched off and on other cars, drivers try and prevent this by keeping on crawling forward, either because they do not know how to switch it off or because it can't be switched off.

PLUS: The so-called fuel savings and emission control aspects are mostly on paper and testbeds. In real life, the "savings" and "reductions" are so small as to be not worth the trouble.

Does Auto Stop-Start Technology Wear Out Engine Components?

Now that most new cars have auto-stop/start technology, are our vehicles becoming more vulnerable to engine and component failure?

bestride.com

Again the advancements in technology that you seem to hate so much have an answer for it.

 

[supersunbird]

Both items are, unfortunately, increasingly difficult to avoid, these days.
As I have stated before, our "preferences" as customers are being whittled away to the point where we are fast getting back to the original limitation.

"You can have any colour you like so long as it is black".

You know why it was black? Because it was the quickest drying paint. The process to build a Ford Model T was reduced to five hours and fifty-six minutes.

 

[Splinter]

I don't get the hate for stop/start systems. I stop at a red traffic light and my engine stops. The light turns green, I press the pedal and the car goes.

Why all the hate?

I don't hate it - I just dislike it. That's why I turn it off. And it also does it in stop/start traffic. Personally, I think this system was developed to show better fuel consumption for advertising. Otherwise I find it to be an annoying pain in the ass.

 

[pinball wizard]

The "hate" comes from the very idea that it is a good idea to keep stopping and starting an internal combustion engine in the first place. It has always been a very bad idea to continually stop and start and engine for all sorts of reasons.
Next is because, on some cars, it can't be switched off and on other cars, drivers try and prevent this by keeping on crawling forward, either because they do not know how to switch it off or because it can't be switched off.

PLUS: The so-called fuel savings and emission control aspects are mostly on paper and testbeds. In real life, the "savings" and "reductions" are so small as to be not worth the trouble.

Remember when oil/lubricant advertisers told us the majority of damage to the internals of an engine happen when you start it? I remember a Castrol ad like that.

 

[Neuk_]

I don't get the hate for stop/start systems. I stop at a red traffic light and my engine stops. The light turns green, I press the pedal and the car goes.

Why all the hate?

I hate them, I permanently disabled it in my Golf and will do the same in my Touareg, they don't only work at red traffic lights which is one of the most annoying aspects of them.

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

I hate them, I permanently disabled it in my Golf and will do the same in my Touareg, they don't only work at red traffic lights which is one of the most annoying aspects of them.

features to "try" justify the expensive price.

 

[Neuk_]

features to "try" justify the expensive price.

They can keep the features, they annoy me when I am trying to park, at a Stop street, in traffic, waiting for my garage door to open, etc, etc, etc. I also don't believe that there are any appreciable long terms gains from using them.

 

[Sinbad]

Remember when oil/lubricant advertisers told us the majority of damage to the internals of an engine happen when you start it? I remember a Castrol ad like that.

That's not the same as what happens in stop/start. They mean when the engine is cold (higher oil viscosity, different parts tolerances).

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

They can keep the features, they annoy me when I am trying to park, at a Stop street, in traffic, waiting for my garage door to open, etc, etc, etc. I also don't believe that there are any appreciable long terms gains from using them.

but features, otherwise why would you buy a new car these days, and not buy something cheap and simple like a Toyota Tazz

its like some Peugeot's come with a built in air freshener, why, because features for features sake.

I believe the term is "fashion engineering"

otherwise, people wouldn't buy new cars and would stick with their old car until the wheels come off.

 

[Craig_]

but features, otherwise why would you buy a new car these days, and not buy something cheap and simple like a Toyota Tazz

its like some Peugeot's come with a built in air freshener, why, because features for features sake.

I believe the term is "fashion engineering"

otherwise, people wouldn't buy new cars and would stick with their old car until the wheels come off.

Safety?
Comfort?
Power?
Fuel consumption?

Many reasons newer cars are better than a tazz, not only features.

 

[Neuk_]

but features, otherwise why would you buy a new car these days, and not buy something cheap and simple like a Toyota Tazz

its like some Peugeot's come with a built in air freshener, why, because features for features sake.

I believe the term is "fashion engineering"

otherwise, people wouldn't buy new cars and would stick with their old car until the wheels come off.

I have honestly never looked at features as you describe them when looking for my next car, my current car actually has less features than my last.