Are you abusing your ADSL line?

[onionpeel]

With talk about capped accounts being restricted for local access as well, I wonder what has brought this on.
I saw on a forum a couple of days ago, somebody hinted that there are home users downloading 100GB per month. Surely that kind of usage warrants a leased line rather than ADSL? 100GB must be classified as abuse for a home any home user, running maximum upstream and downstream for 24x7. And yes, there is an impact on network resources, despite what some people may think. I must say, that these few who do this kind of thing may have hurt the others who keep their usage within reasonable limits, albeit high.
An analogy could be drawn along similar lines to the Cape water crisis of recent months.

 

[killadoob]

i think ppl who say they download 100gb are liars where local can you run maximum upstream we have no p2p network so when you capped only local how are these getting to 100gb?

 

[bwana]

I wouldn't like to hazard a guess but I would think that the overwhelming majority of the local traffic never leaves telkom's infrastructure. I think Telkom is abusing the system they promoted by changing the rules.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Killadoob - there is a local DC++ Hub in SA that you can go on when capped. I just wished Telscum to shut it down rather than having local being capped

 

[kobie]

Wether you consider 100GB's abusive is only a matter of opinion, the fact that users can use 100GB's a month clearly shows that the local ATM is not under strain since the speeds are still good.

We have several DCC++ and torrent communities in South Africa killadoob, so i'm sure its possible to use 100GB in a month.

 

[warichard]

Try in excess of 200GB combined down and up.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Try in excess of 200GB combined down and up.

Is that what Web Africa/UUNET users were consuming?

 

[bb_matt]

Me: "Hey you, you little b@rstard of an ADSL line !"
ADSL Line: "Beep"
Me: "What did you say ? - are you trying to get clever you little retard !"
ADSL Line: "Beep"
Me: "Say that one more time and I'll bash the living daylights outta you !"
ADSL Line: "Beep"
Me: "Right, that's it you little ****, you've pushed me too far now !" (gets hammer)

WHACK, SMASH, SPLINTER, BOOM

Me: "alrighty then clever cloggs, what do you have to say for yourself now ?"
ADSL Line:

 

[AmaDownload]

Jezzus guys, we are taking 3 steps forward and 2.5 steps back each time... We are not keeping up with global trends this way..

Telkom is friendly enough to shape our P2P traffic to below 50Kb/s.. It's only abuse if we would bypass this throttling, or if we ignored an agreement with them that we would not download in excess of 200 Gig a month.. We are just using their services at the moment..

didn't we all enter into a contract with Telkom for the provisioning of services as they are right now (local uncapped), and if Telkom want to change the conditions, should they require us to enter into a new contract with these new conditions (capping after say 4 Gbyte)?

In the current contract they stipulate that they go not guarantee actual speeds, which was fine for all of us, and we all signed for the 3-gig capping, but if they change the rules, shouldn't we at least be able to downgrade our speeds (since that's of no use to a downloader when you get capped) without paying the Hellkom downgrade migration penalty fees?

In other words, if they change the rules, and a new contract must be set in place, shouldn't all downloaders be able to sign a new contract on the lowest available package without being charged? - It's a new contract from scratch I guess with the changes they propose?

 

[munwaal]

Abuse is relative - local traffic (as pointed out by SpamTheMan) costs telkom absolutely NOTHING, either in traffic costs or maintenance costs. They're just being themselves, they seem intent on holding the country back at all costs.. Sometimes I even think it's not about the money for them, i really think they get a sick pleasure out of screwing us over, then lurking these boards to see how we react and having a good laugh at the company braai. They're a bunch of sick b@stards.

 

[munwaal]

Jezzus guys, we are taking 3 steps forward and 2.5 steps back each time... We are not keeping up with global trends this way..

Telkom is friendly enough to shape our P2P traffic to below 50Kb/s.. It's only abuse if we would bypass this throttling, or if we ignored an agreement with them that we would not download in excess of 200 Gig a month.. We are just using their services at the moment..

didn't we all enter into a contract with Telkom for the provisioning of services as they are right now (local uncapped), and if Telkom want to change the conditions, should they require us to enter into a new contract with these new conditions (capping after say 4 Gbyte)?

In the current contract they stipulate that they go not guarantee actual speeds, which was fine for all of us, and we all signed for the 3-gig capping, but if they change the rules, shouldn't we at least be able to downgrade our speeds (since that's of no use to a downloader when you get capped) without paying the Hellkom downgrade migration penalty fees?

In other words, if they change the rules, and a new contract must be set in place, shouldn't all downloaders be able to sign a new contract on the lowest available package without being charged? - It's a new contract from scratch I guess with the changes they propose?

As indicated on various threads, telkoms ammended terms and conditions (which ammend the standard terms and conditions) paragraph 2 indicates that telkom may change the terms and conditions "from time to time."

 

[MaD]

If one has a a look at the caps offered overseas, then Telkom has been incredibly generous having local full speed uncapped.. looking back it may have been a mistake as now everyone feels hard done by with the new implementations which are going to happen.

Fact is they should just offer bigger caps. The uncapped local after the cap was obviously the proverbial carrot in front of the donkey's nose to get many people to think ADSL is excellent. Throttling to 64k is a norm abroad - although their pricing structure allows for people to purchase more bandwidth at much better prices thatn Telkom has to offer. If Telkom created an uncapped local-only account I'm sure a great deal of people would go for it but alas, proxy services would spring up and Telkom doesn't want that.

At the end of the day one can only hope for them to be fair and improve the pricing structure so as to have everyone not feel like they've been had. Telkom keeps wanting to match their efficiencies and fixed line to employee ratio - let's see if they can match overseas offerings for price to service value ratio.

 

[munwaal]

I really disagree about the "generosity" thing.. I think we're way beyond that with telkom now. I think they didn't quite anticipate the proxy services springing up, and now want to "correct" their little screw-up. The only thing that telkom dishes out generously is frustration - in bucket loads. They realise that if there is local uncapped and people are just going to use a proxy, then people won't BUY another 3 gig account, and they'll lose money.

 

[kobie]

If one has a a look at the caps offered overseas, then Telkom has been incredibly generous having local full speed uncapped.. looking back it may have been a mistake as now everyone feels hard done by with the new implementations which are going to happen.

This argument would hold water except that we are paying more than enough for an uncapped package by international standards. Understandably international access is limited because of our geographic location but there is no excuse to cap us locally with the prices we pay.

 

[MaD]

Well thats what i said..

 

[CerberusZA]

Telkom rolling out 1Mbit and wanting to bring us "Video on demand". They wouldnt do that if they didnt have the bandwidth to spare. So dont go talking rubbish about abuse, telkom just wants to rake in more money for themselves since some people can access international via their company's vpn's and then you have the cheap proxies. No ammount I can download in a month could justify the price I pay.

 

[doekvoet]

"Abuse" in this instance is a relative term. Running at max speed per month both directions (512k) would end up at a usage of around 200Gig total - that is what the service is capable of and nowehere does it say that the service may not be used to its full capacity. We are already being screwed with line rental charges and high ISP fees for adsl. Just looking at two threads on this forum which were posted in the past day or two, I read about 150Gig and 500Gig caps in Europe for ±R240pm - now in this context capping an already inferior and overpriced service even further just means one thing.........telkom could'nt give a damn, cause all that matters is milking us for more money.

Watch when they post a close to R7b profit on 6 June (my estimate) and then claim poverty as the reason for these high fees.

Something should be done by ICASA and DOC

 

[stoke]

... Sometimes I even think it's not about the money for them, i really think they get a sick pleasure out of screwing us over, then lurking these boards to see how we react and having a good laugh at the company braai. They're a bunch of sick b@stards.

Giggle - yup - I can see them doing this - easily.

Seriously though, previously, the software implemented to track usage and control local vs international usage was just not advanced enough to control local an international caps separately. The problem being that no other country in the world has this local vs international thing, and it took time for teklom to get the software modified to do the dual cap thing. Now, the system they have/are in to process of ugrading to will allow that, and a bunch of other features as well.

So - more expensive software, more complicated systems, more client ripoff to pay for these, "Improved Service" sold to client by teklom, client fooled and propaganda'd into submission.

Same old.

 

[daysleeper]

Are you guys on crack?

Are you abusing your ADSL line? What? I'm rubbing my eyes out. I can't believe somebody will start a thread. 200 gb is alot of electron supplied by an already paid for infrastructure utilised by a monopoly that is owned by corrupt government officials.

The simple answer is there is no way are you abusing the network. You are Telkom's clients and have a contractual right to use the service as you see fit. Your use of the network for what ever reason albeit p2p is your business. Other users of ADSL have the same rights. But to accuse ADSL users of abuse is a step in the wrong direction.

Please just think about it. What do you have to show for those R1000 payments every month. You could finance a car with that.

please wake up!!!!

 

[Ilitirit]

200Gb/month probably means abusing the internet, rather than the ADSL line. let's be honest, i doubt that those 200gigs were spent on homework assignments.

but being someone that actually worked on the system that they use to administer one of the optical cable they are responsible for, i can tell you that they definitely can support that sort of bandwidth if they really wanted to.