Are you also leaving mysql ?

[Yucca]

Many news articles yesterday relating to mysql shift due w to fears on oracles plans. In short one of the top guys at mysql resigned yesterday and Ubuntu has just dropped Open Office too. Me? I am not waisting time so it's time for a quick "hello postgresql".:erm:

 

[Roo!]

I think Canonical should create a consortium and move MySQL and OOo into their fold.

 

[rogerwe]

Many news articles yesterday relating to mysql shift due w to fears on oracles plans. In short one of the top guys at mysql resigned yesterday and Ubuntu has just dropped Open Office too. Me? I am not waisting time so it's time for a quick "hello postgresql".:erm:

That's interesting. Thanks for the heads up. I've been experimenting with Sqlite and I'm pretty impressed for small flat-file database requirements.

 

[nfbs]

I have used mysql and always thought of looking at an alternative due to not being 100% happy with it.

Might finally check PostgreSQL out as it has been in the open source for long time and seems to be a reasonable sized community out there supporting it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostgreSQL

 

[Yucca]

I think Canonical should create a consortium and move MySQL and OOo into their fold.

Could be a solution.

I don't see much future for those developers like me though that embraced Sun technology. Here is a list of things that have pushed me in another direction over the last week:

mysql seems to be dying a rapid death. For one it probably won't get much supportand new features. It probably makes more sense to stick qith postgesql that is owned by an OS community and won't fall into money loving hands.

netbeans is dead already as far as JEE is concerned. This is odd as oracle expects almost every Java developer that started coding in the last 4 years to change their development environment. Even more suprising is that they are going to keep glassfish as the reference JEE server but yet remove all JEE from the IDE that supports it the most. Even more odd is the fact that netbeans is such a huge IDE in that it covers more languages and sub technologies than other IDE out the box.

So what does this sound like? Stick with an IDE that won't offer any support for the reference JEE server and risk becoming too dependant on technologies that may become expensive overnight.

My solution:

1) Jboss as the JEE server
2) postgreSQL for RDBMS
3) Make a move to an IDE that costs a little but offers even more than WebLogic and supports JEE in full across multiple server implementations in IntelliJ IDE. I mean if i am gonna have to learn a new IDE I may as well go to the best.
4) Start embracing google SDK for what it is.


The only reason for me to visit oracle is to download JEE DK and virtualbox.

 

[Yucca]

If I am gonna have to pay for anything from RDBMS it must offer me LOTS more than any competitive open source alternative out there.

Does glassfish offer more than Jboss without netbeans? NO
Does netbeans eithout c++, php, JEE and all other extras, offer more than IntelliJ out the box? No
Does mysql offer stored procedures like postgresql? NO

Feel free to add to this list.

 

[Raithlin]

I've been watching this with one eye open - could you guys link when you cite please - for those of us that still haven't woken up yet .

 

[Yucca]

sure here are some linkies: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/08/oracle_departure/
http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid39_gci1381097,00.html

 

[Raithlin]

Thanks, Yucca.

MySQL is GPL'ed - in the past, when a GPL app has been bought, if the users didn't like it then they simply branched and carried on their own way. Oracle will be well aware of this, and it would be stupid of them to kill what is a popular product. Same goes for OpenOffice.org. I'm personally quite happy to move to PostgreSQL - it's an awesome RDBMS, even better than Oracle in many ways. Nice thing is that most MySQL-based CMS solutions also support PostgreSQL (I know Drupal does - I don't really care for the rest ).

Ubuntu has dropped OpenOffice - true, but only for the Netbook edition - and they've opted for Google Docs. Commenters have smelled a back-room deal there. See this article from OOo's marketing.

To answer the OP: I'm setting up a CMS for a client, and I may well go PostgreSQL just to be safe.

 

[dequadin]

@Yucca I understand your concerns but aren't you overreacting just a little bit?

Java and MySQL are entrenched in the industry. There's been a lot of "fear talk" on /. since the Oracle purchase, I think it's premature.

When Sun bought MySQL, the founder of MySQL resigned after 6 months because of the direction Sun was taking MySQL. Did everyone cry foul and leave MySQL then? No.

I wouldn't jump on every story as gospel just yet....

 

[guest2013-1]

NO BUT ITS THE FUTURE!!!! Someone's crystal ball just got a huge crack

 

[Yucca]

I am not willing to even give oracle a chance because they have done NOTHING in the past for open source. In fact they have.... they made the open source team from Sun resign or leave. Not a good start and looks very bad. Much of my true gripe is actually at the state that Sun left the Java languages. J2ME is so old that it could just be sold to Android. Java 7 may not even be released still and the greedy Oracle thugs want to FORCE every JEE developer from netbeans to change thier IDE? That is a LOT of developers. Not to mention every community or project that evolved around netbeans. These communities will also refuse to join Oracle because of it's policies. It's like a whole community is being destroyed but just at a very uneven pace. Those of us who were heavily supportive of Sun seem to be losing a lot. Maybe the lesson is to embrace technologies from different vendors as apposed to one.

 

[James]

Ubuntu has just dropped Open Office too.

Little bit melodramatic. They are not using OO on the netbook edition in favour of Google Docs. That makes perfect sense in my head

 

[mcryan]

Yeah I am a little worried myself. I've been using MySQL for years and I am more than happy with the product. I have no idea what is going to happen now that Sun has been bought by Oracle. Let's hope Oracle don't trash the product.

 

[dshutts]

mellow dramatic

lol

 

[SilverNodashi]

For now, no, I'll continue using MySQL - until the day that it's completely dead. It's still actively maintained and far too many project still use it, for the dev's to stop the GPL side of things.

 

[Yucca]

For now, no, I'll continue using MySQL - until the day that it's completely dead. It's still actively maintained and far too many project still use it, for the dev's to stop the GPL side of things.

After reading what I just read I make the change today...

http://www.europeanvoice.com/article/imported/sun-sets-on-open-source-computing/67118.aspx

"Oracle has stopped innovation with other database-related products it has acquired over the past 15 years. "

 

[jonno_081]

I've been using PostgreSQL for some time with my software projects (C++ / VB / C#). This change was mostly because on some Windows systems MySQL didn't play nicely with the antivirus (temp files were being blocked). Postgres solved this problem...

On the web I still use MySQL. As I see it, there is no need for me to kill myself trying to change every website out there I'm responsible for because even if Sun or whoever it is does something strange with MySQL, they really can't prevent me from continuing to use the current version on my servers, which are are working fine as it. So, if I need some new feature in the future that is not in the current MySQL, then I will change those sites, but it really will be on a case by case basis

 

[grayston]

I've been using PostgreSQL for some time with my software projects (C++ / VB / C#). This change was mostly because on some Windows systems MySQL didn't play nicely with the antivirus (temp files were being blocked). Postgres solved this problem...

On the web I still use MySQL. As I see it, there is no need for me to kill myself trying to change every website out there I'm responsible for because even if Sun or whoever it is does something strange with MySQL, they really can't prevent me from continuing to use the current version on my servers, which are are working fine as it. So, if I need some new feature in the future that is not in the current MySQL, then I will change those sites, but it really will be on a case by case basis

This is then probably a good time (and always a good exercise) to make your apps database independent. Yes it takes a while but everything is so much cleaner once you're done.

And then when Oracle pulls the MySQL plug, you can just go "meh", change a config file, and carry on with life.

 

[guest2013-1]

I love lamp