arrogant beggers (Africa+G8)

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http://www.fin24.com/articles/default/display_article.aspx?ArticleId=1518-25_2353439

'G8 shouldn't abandon Africa'
Jul 7 2008 4:51PM
Toyako, Japan - The plight of millions of destitute Africans dominated the agenda in Toyako, Japan, as the heads of government and state of the world's richest countries came face-to-face with their counterparts from Algeria, Ethiopia, Ghana, Nigeria, Senegal, Tanzania and South Africa. UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon, World Bank President Robert Zoellick and African Union commission chief Jean Ping also attended the talks.

All of them appealed to the G8 leaders not to abandon Africa by backtracking on a previous pledge to raise the amount of aid given to the continent.

"High food prices are already turning back the clock on development gains. To avoid further suffering, we are calling on world leaders to deliver a full range of immediate needs, including food assistance," said Ban.

"Summits cannot solve all the world's ills ... but I believe this summit can make an important start, here and now, to focus on the needs of the most vulnerable," Zoellick added.

Japanese officials said African leaders had been unanimous in urging the G8 to stick to their 2005 pledge to raise annual aid to developing countries by $50bn by 2010.

But Ban noted that as much as $62bn per year would be needed by then in order to meet the Millennium Development Goals - a series of UN-sponsored targets which include halving the number of starving people by 2015.

All sides acknowledged that the problem of hunger, spiralling food and oil prices and the impact of global warming are strictly related.

But while European Union Commission president Jose Manuel Barroso urged G8 leaders to agree on "meaningful," "ambitious" and "binding" long-term targets for cutting greenhouse gas emissions, Germany found itself isolated as the United States, backed by six other G8 members, pointed to the building of more nuclear power plants as a possible way out.

Briefing the press on the sidelines of the G8, US president George W Bush's environment advisor, Jim Connaughton, stressed the "green" properties of nuclear energy.

"There is no question ... that nuclear energy, responsibly developed by countries capable of managing it, is an essential component of cutting greenhouse gas emissions," Connaughton said.

While France, Britain, Canada, Italy, Russia are all broadly in favour of nuclear energy, the German government has only just agreed to phase out its nuclear reactors by 2021.

Despite Angela Merkel, the chancellor, being herself in favour of atomic energy, it is widely unpopular among the German electorate.

'Smart guy'

"Nuclear power is not the main factor in trying to protect the environment," she told German reporters as she moved to prevent the summit from making a reference to nuclear energy in its final communique.

Climate change was to feature more prominently on Tuesday, when G8 leaders were due to turn to the main items on their official agenda.

Among them the slowdown in the global economy and accelerating inflation.

Monday's opening day was preceded by a series of bilateral meetings, most notably between Bush and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, who was described as "a smart guy" by his American counterpart.

The G8 comprises the world's seven richest countries - Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan and the United States - plus Russia.

Advice on how to govern a country is rejected with arrogance but they are not too proud to beg for money, indeed demand money.
If I was a Western leader I would give them the finger till they do as they must as good responsible accountable leaders.
 
pretty much, please give us as much as possible, but don't u dare dictate to us how it should be spent! Begging_bowl in one hand, other hand with pointed finger chastising the west/donors.
If G8 gets a tad tougher tho, might just fall into China's plan - will allow them to dictate and cherry pick from Africa...
 
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Other than Mugabe, which African leaders are not open to help? Is there a difference between financial aid and a loan which is highly unlike to be paid off?
 
Other than Mugabe, which African leaders are not open to help? Is there a difference between financial aid and a loan which is highly unlike to be paid off?

Many African leaders do not condemn Mugabe. It is not only the Mugabe issue, in every country there is corruption on a scale not seen in the West. If Blair or Brown did anything similar to what Mbeki has done they would have removed him or they would have stepped down.
Loans limits the sum of additional loans which may be taken.
Aid is "free" and paid fr by the people of the West.
 
Advice on how to govern a country is rejected with arrogance but they are not too proud to beg for money, indeed demand money.
Gravy trains only run on money or Lead Replacement Petrol...not advice.
 
Foreign Aid isnt working, the G8 have to understand that THEY have to utilize the money THEY give.. The leaders here do f_ck all with Foreign aid sept pocket it
 
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Advice on how to govern a country is rejected with arrogance but they are not too proud to beg for money, indeed demand money.
If I was a Western leader I would give them the finger till they do as they must as good responsible accountable leaders.

Yeah i agree 100%.

pretty much, please give us as much as possible, but don't u dare dictate to us how it should be spent! Begging_bowl in one hand, other hand with pointed finger chastising the west/donors.
If G8 gets a tad tougher tho, might just fall into China's plan - will allow them to dictate and cherry pick from Africa...

Foreign Aid is working, the G8 have to understand that THEY have to utilize the money THEY give.. The leaders here do f_ck all with Foreign aid sept pocket it

That is one of the main reasons Africa is in this shlt to start with..... The higher goverment officials use the country as their private bank :(
 
Give an African a fish and he'll have food for a day.
Teach an African to fish and you'll be blamed for every bad day of fishing he ever has.
 
I must also point out that the "West" is far from innocent.

Take e.g. the IMF and the World Bank's structural adjustment programmes.
 
I must also point out that the "West" is far from innocent.

Take e.g. the IMF and the World Bank's structural adjustment programmes.

If you take out a loan from Standard Bank and default on it (yes, you knew the terms when you signed for it) it is your responsibility for messing up!
 
If you ask me, I think the West is getting tired of Africa and it's problems. I don't blame them, when all of this aid is ending up in the pockets of the likes of Mugabe, it never reaches the people it is intended for.
 
It looks like the donors are realising what Africa is standing for :
"The G8 is expected to issue a statement on Tuesday calling for sanctions unless Mugabe responds to mediation. There is increasing frustration among some Western heads of government that they are asking their electorates to donate $25-billion for Africa by 2010 when some of Africa's most senior leaders are unwilling to take a stand in favour of democracy and human rights.:
http://www.mg.co.za/article/2008-07-08-g8-leaders-grill-mbeki-on-zimbabwe
 
I believe all aid to Africa should stop. Africa needs to stand on its own feet rather than constantly depend on others.
 
I believe all aid to Africa should stop. Africa needs to stand on its own feet rather than constantly depend on others.

I agree who fault is it that Africa is behind the rest of the world.They have had enough time and money to make things better in africa.Unfortunately their leaders chose not to better their countries
 
Money into the hands of sobs.. This is not helping the people who are starving. Tell the governments of Africa to go fk themselves, and setup proper aid dispersion inside their countries, with or without their permission. What exactly is Africa gonna do? Whine? Cry? Fight against the world? Think not. They would be owned. If the aid is REALLY going to the people then they really don't have anything bad to say about it now do they? Sick of hearing of the wealth distribution in this continent. Its like the middle ages or something..
 
I think if the masses got the aid, we'd see a revolution take place on the continent and them burning their leaders at the stake.
 
To be honest this is all lip service. I have European, US and Japanese friends and everyone says the same. The West doesn't really care about African leaders' BS,
and they don't certainly worry about it.
Africa is still perceived as a war torn hell-hole, everyone virtually thinks it's a lost cause and EVERYONE has bigger worries, especially the ECONOMIC SLOWDOWN
around the world which is going to hurt consumers and businesses in every country on earth, THOSE are bigger worries, that people have and their
results or causes (fuel prices, house prices, job security, interest rates etc).

As for the African leaders they can only let out
their hands to UK, France, Portugal, Belgium and Italy. Those are the ONLY WESTERN
countries in the world who have any colonial ties to Africa. The REST of Europe, North America, Australia, Japan and NZ don't owe Africa anything - and by OWE I mean the perception in the bizarro brains of leaders such as Mbeki and the rest of the gravy train
of Africa.
 
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I really don't quite understand the dynamics of this at all, maybe some can help.

The soaring food prices around the world result in African 'leaders', including our own, lobbying for subsidies for farmers in the western nations to be scaled down or even done away with completely so that African farmers can compete and sell their produce competitively on the open market, predominantly to western nations, go figure.
Also leaders offering Africa as a solution to the global food crisis.

Thats all fine and sensible as local produce is deemed as not commercially viable, once you get it there and the numbers say the contributing factor to this are the foreign subsidies the western farmers enjoy.

Then we get back to the begging bowl we see now and it is all about starving Africans :confused:
It seems African countries cannot seem to feed themselves, despite progress with the AU. Sure we have droughts and floods etc, but how can we offer to be a solution to global food shortages when we cannot even feed our own??
It makes no sense, help?
 
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