Arsenal FC Supporters Thread - 2020/21 Season

[R13...]

It's really about Martinelli starts getting a few minutes in the league.

Looks like the Arsenal are now cultivating a superpower of giving away leads. Didn't watch the game and must admit that this performance despite the defense frailties gleamed in the highlights didn't look as wimpy as the first team's performances.

 

[AfricanTech]

It's really about Martinelli starts getting a few minutes in the league.

Looks like the Arsenal are now cultivating a superpower of giving away leads. Didn't watch the game and must admit that this performance despite the defense frailties gleamed in the highlights didn't look as wimpy as the first team's performances.

Martinelli looks fantastic - really impressed last night despite the end result.

 

[The Voice]

Martinelli looks fantastic - really impressed last night despite the end result.

6 goals in his first 4 games. Definitely worth a shout.

 

[poffle]

So we're already at the point of not even needing to comment after a game.

 

[Symphonized]

Might be time for a new couch, jose mourinho

 

[SHL]

Might be time for a new couch, jose mourinho

Does he come in leather?

 

[The Voice]

So we're already at the point of not even needing to comment after a game.

Pretty much. We've hit peak #WengerOut already it seems. We're just part of the same managerial circus as every other mid table team now. We can expect this with whoever takes over from Emery, too. Fans are fickle, it seems, welcoming the new guy in, saying we should all back him, then calling for his head after the first season because he hasn't won a treble or something.

I pity whoever manages Arsenal for the next decade, honestly. Wenger is still so cemented in the clubs fibre, you'd have to demolish the Emirates and rebuild it to get a clean slate. Because the next guy, and the next, and the next, is going to be compared to him and his "last x number of games away from home", etc.

Project Emery didn't work, sure, but I don't think I've ever seen Gooners stoop to such pathetic levels before. We need to get a ****ing grip.

 

[_kabal_]

I think that all anyone wants is some sort of system/plan/style

emery has nothing. we are worse this season and potentially have better players.
shots for vs shots against is absolutely pathetic.
emery is a cowardly manager. he plays to hold onto a point.

jose is NOT then answer btw, **** that, he is done

 

[The Voice]

I think that all anyone wants is some sort of system/plan/style

emery has nothing. we are worse this season and potentially have better players.
shots for vs shots against is absolutely pathetic.
emery is a cowardly manager. he plays to hold onto a point.

jose is NOT then answer btw, **** that, he is done

Problem is that while he built up his managerial career, he was doing reasonably well with Valencia, and ultimately Sevilla with three Europa Leagues in a row. That took some doing, no doubt. But at the same time, they did terribly in the Champions League to have to drop down into the 2nd tier competition. He then went on to manage PSG, which I class in the same category as Barcelona, Man City, Bayern - teams which can still win the league with your uncle Frank in charge. Winning Ligue 1 really isn't anything to brag about when you're playing some of the best players in Europe against farmers, anyway (and for any evidence of his teams' inability to defend a lead, remember he was in charge when Barca won 6-5 on aggregate after being 4-0 down in the first leg).

So, his slightly inflated CV aside, was he the right choice as manager? Not just as manager, but as the man to replace Wenger? Probably not. We needed a big, no-nonsense personality to come in, and we got someone who after a year and a bit still doesn't know which formation he prefers (we were 3-4-3 last night).

Is he a bad manager? Also no (again, see his work pre-PSG. 3 Europa Leagues, while indicating a crap CL run, is still some achievement). He took us 22 games unbeaten after we lost our opening 2 last season, and everyone was singing his praises. We were comfortably in 3rd, a massive achievement for his first season in charge. And then the wheels came off, and we missed out on CL qualification by a point. And then got destroyed in the final of the Europa League by Chelsea, after we dominated every team along the way. And now we've extended that run into this new season.

So, what happens now? Because our next game is Leicester away, and I'm sure we all know what's going to happen. If we sack him, do we go back to our original shortlist? Was that an actual list, or was it just something the media threw together? There were still a lot of unproven names on it, and some mid-table regulars (one of whom has catapulted Leicester into 3rd, mind you). For a club like Arsenal, we need to go for a VERY big name. I'm talking Klopp, Guardiola calibre - not them specifically, obviously, but that level.

 

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[Kakarot]

So we're already at the point of not even needing to comment after a game.

 

[fishfly]

Problem is that while he built up his managerial career, he was doing reasonably well with Valencia, and ultimately Sevilla with three Europa Leagues in a row. That took some doing, no doubt. But at the same time, they did terribly in the Champions League to have to drop down into the 2nd tier competition. He then went on to manage PSG, which I class in the same category as Barcelona, Man City, Bayern - teams which can still win the league with your uncle Frank in charge. Winning Ligue 1 really isn't anything to brag about when you're playing some of the best players in Europe against farmers, anyway (and for any evidence of his teams' inability to defend a lead, remember he was in charge when Barca won 6-5 on aggregate after being 4-0 down in the first leg).

So, his slightly inflated CV aside, was he the right choice as manager? Not just as manager, but as the man to replace Wenger? Probably not. We needed a big, no-nonsense personality to come in, and we got someone who after a year and a bit still doesn't know which formation he prefers (we were 3-4-3 last night).

Is he a bad manager? Also no (again, see his work pre-PSG. 3 Europa Leagues, while indicating a crap CL run, is still some achievement). He took us 22 games unbeaten after we lost our opening 2 last season, and everyone was singing his praises. We were comfortably in 3rd, a massive achievement for his first season in charge. And then the wheels came off, and we missed out on CL qualification by a point. And then got destroyed in the final of the Europa League by Chelsea, after we dominated every team along the way. And now we've extended that run into this new season.

So, what happens now? Because our next game is Leicester away, and I'm sure we all know what's going to happen. If we sack him, do we go back to our original shortlist? Was that an actual list, or was it just something the media threw together? There were still a lot of unproven names on it, and some mid-table regulars (one of whom has catapulted Leicester into 3rd, mind you). For a club like Arsenal, we need to go for a VERY big name. I'm talking Klopp, Guardiola calibre - not them specifically, obviously, but that level.

You lumping Klopp in with Guardiola? Guardiola still not proven that he can work with a shoe string budget
Klopp hasn't won nearly enough compared to Guardiola...

Anyhow look at who's available atm:
With Accolades:
1. Jose Mourinho
2. Massimiliano Allegri

Not so well known winners
Laurent Blanc
Luis Fernandez
Niko Kovac

Relatively newcomers:
Clarence Seedorf

Decent run managers:
Javi Gracia

Then you have the likes of: (I think are all muppets)
Sam Allardyce
Mark Hughes
David Moyes
Alan Pardew

Who you going to pick from that great pool of managers?

 

[Kakarot]

You lumping Klopp in with Guardiola? Guardiola still not proven that he can work with a shoe string budget
Klopp hasn't won nearly enough compared to Guardiola...

Anyhow look at who's available atm:
With Accolades:
1. Jose Mourinho
2. Massimiliano Allegri

Not so well known winners
Laurent Blanc
Luis Fernandez
Niko Kovac

Relatively newcomers:
Clarence Seedorf

Decent run managers:
Javi Gracia

Then you have the likes of: (I think are all muppets)
Sam Allardyce
Mark Hughes
David Moyes
Alan Pardew

Who you going to pick from that great pool of managers?

Since we lost out on Brenda Rogers
What about this guy.

 

[The Voice]

You lumping Klopp in with Guardiola? Guardiola still not proven that he can work with a shoe string budget
Klopp hasn't won nearly enough compared to Guardiola...

Anyhow look at who's available atm:
With Accolades:
1. Jose Mourinho
2. Massimiliano Allegri

Not so well known winners
Laurent Blanc
Luis Fernandez
Niko Kovac

Relatively newcomers:
Clarence Seedorf

Decent run managers:
Javi Gracia

Then you have the likes of: (I think are all muppets)
Sam Allardyce
Mark Hughes
David Moyes
Alan Pardew

Who you going to pick from that great pool of managers?

We still have people asking for Arteta or Henry - yes, seriously. As for who I'd pick, I'd skip any of the usual British "relegation specialists" at the bottom of your list (there's another club in Manchester they may want to join). Javi may have had a decent run, but his team is still where he left them: fighting relegation.

Allegri or Mourinho are the most experienced, the latter actually having won 3 EPL titles, and several other trophies (2x CL with Porto and Inter), so would be the better choice of the two because he wouldn't need time to settle in and get a feel for the league - and he wins, no matter where he goes. Full stop. Even his "flop" at United gave them the Europa League. People saying he's too defensive? That's our major ****ing problem right now! We can't keep a damned clean sheet to save our lives! Allegri might be more balanced with attack and defence, but we're already stuck with a manager who can't communicate in English (with the media OR the players, apparently).

As for the Klopp/Guardiola example, Jurgen took a nearly-there Liverpool team and turned them into actual title contenders (and won a CL after 2 consecutive finals, not to mention the Bundesliga with Dortmund), while Pep won the EPL with the most points in history. Yes, success has been bought, and Pep walked into every FIFA FUT team, but whoever they're managing they demand entertaining, attacking football - something Arsenal was famous for, even being compared to Barcelona for a very long time. And that's the type of manager we need. Someone who demands the best. Chooses his own captain. Has a presence on the touchline.

 

[ISP cash cow]

I would stick with Emery for now and let him try and sort out the defence. Personally I think he also needs to be more forward in the away games. I think we lose these because he tries to play defensively which our defense is crap and we always come unstuck. I say with our attacking force, take it to them. I would even consider bringing Holding in to tje defense and push Luiz into a holding/defensive midfield position. He can then still spray his passes around the park and if he fouls someone he is out the box.

If we did have to replace Emery, I would say get Simeone.

 

[Gnarls]

Jose? Norrafok!

 

[Kakarot]

I would stick with Emery for now and let him try and sort out the defence. Personally I think he also needs to be more forward in the away games. I think we lose these because he tries to play defensively which our defense is crap and we always come unstuck. I say with our attacking force, take it to them. I would even consider bringing Holding in to tje defense and push Luiz into a holding/defensive midfield position. He can then still spray his passes around the park and if he fouls someone he is out the box.

If we did have to replace Emery, I would say get Simeone.

That would be a step down at this point because Atletico is only 1pt behind 1,2,3 log leaders.
The Simeone move shoul've happened last year or after they lost the CL again but Diego personally didn't want it.

 

[The Voice]

That would be a step down at this point because Atletico is only 1pt behind 1,2,3 log leaders.
The Simeone move shoul've happened last year or after they lost the CL again but Diego personally didn't want it.

He's very comfortable where he is, and it would take an insane amount of cash to get him in. He's a club hero anyway.

I reckon the Leicester game will be the decider. There's another international break soon after, which would be the perfect time to get someone new in without as much disruption. It's always going to stir things up when you sack someone a 3rd of the way into the season, but what can you do?

Alternatively, the board will simply just stick with him. We're 5th, and practically through to the next round of the Europa League. What more could they ask for at this stage of the season anyway?

 

[Kakarot]

He's very comfortable where he is, and it would take an insane amount of cash to get him in. He's a club hero anyway.

I reckon the Leicester game will be the decider. There's another international break soon after, which would be the perfect time to get someone new in without as much disruption. It's always going to stir things up when you sack someone a 3rd of the way into the season, but what can you do?

Alternatively, the board will simply just stick with him. We're 5th, and practically through to the next round of the Europa League. What more could they ask for at this stage of the season anyway?

Uhhhh 3rd or 4th place maybe? There's 81 points left on the table...winning the Europa as a means of getting into the CL next season is just a pipe dream.

 

[Hamish McPanji]

Uhhhh 3rd or 4th place maybe? There's 81 points left on the table...winning the Europa as a means of getting into the CL next season is just a pipe dream.

......and Jose transforms dreams into reality