Article: Cyril Cosying Up To Saudi Arabia Causes Controversy

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https://citizen.co.za/news/south-af...ng-up-to-saudi-arabia-causes-controversy/amp/

Not everyone is happy following reports that Ramaphosa has secured $10bn in investment from the Saudi Arabian government.

At first blush, Saudi Arabia’s decision to invest what amounts to R133 billion in South Africa’s energy sector may seem like great news.

President Cyril Ramaphosa’s much-needed drive to boost our country’s economy can, after all, be seen as a sign that our Ramaphoria was warranted and that we are indeed experiencing a new dawn.*This campaign has seen him get the United Kingdom to commit to R850 million in investment, convince Mercedes-Benz to put R10 billion into expanding its South African plant and get Nigeria to agree to signing a free-trade agreement

With the Saudi investment, however, comes a backlash, as some on social media have spoken out against what they see as Ramaphosa’s decision to accept money from a “murderous” regime.

While some comments show prejudice, with one Twitter user saying: “Eskom has been taken over by the Arabs,” others have focused on the Middle Eastern country’s human rights record, which is regarded as one of the worst in the world.

According to Human Rights Watch, Saudi Arabia’s recent record includes “arbitrary arrests, trials, and convictions of peaceful dissidents”, “a wave of arrests of clerics and others in what appeared to be a coordinated crackdown on dissent”, as well as “numerous violations of international humanitarian law” during their military campaign against Yemen.

“Detainees, including children, commonly face systematic violations of due process and fair trial rights, including arbitrary arrest,” according to a report issued by the human rights watchdog, also focusing on the country’s treatment of women, who “face formal and informal barriers*when attempting to make decisions or take action without the presence or consent of a male relative”.

The country recently made it legal for women to drive for the first time.

While some focus on these issues, others argue the acceptance of Saudi investment is just business.

Those voices include South Africa Minister in the Presidency Jeff Radebe. “It’s a fantastic commitment from Saudi Arabia‚ especially coming in the aftermath of the president’s call to have $100-billion of investment in the next five years‚” he enthused while talking to*The Times.

He said Saudi Arabia Energy Minister Khalid al-Falih was deeply committed to cooperating with South Africa in the energy sector.

“As a result of that‚ already we have signed a big deal on the renewable side of R12 billion with Redstone and ACWA‚ which is a Saudi Arabian energy company‚ in partnership with the Central Energy Fund for renewable in terms of solar and wind‚” Radebe said.

Somewhat more questionably, it was reported South Africa was also “committed to cooperate in the defence sector” with the nation. What this will mean in practice remains to be seen.
 

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"We want free education!"
"We want free healthcare!"
"We want free land!"
"We want free training on how to utilise the free land!"
"We want lower taxes!"
"We want free electricity!"

...and then Cyril goes and secures funding only for South Africans, in true South African fashion, to bitch and moan about the source of the funds.
 

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"We want free education!"
"We want free healthcare!"
"We want free land!"
"We want free training on how to utilise the free land!"
"We want lower taxes!"
"We want free electricity!"

...and then Cyril goes and secures funding only for South Africans, in true South African fashion, to bitch and moan about the source of the funds.
Somehow I doubt that the people who want free shyt are the ones who give a shyt about Saudi Arabia's human rights record.
 

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LOL, jihadi joe and his anti-US BS.

Do you know that the Saudi is a Muslim country, so any deal the offer Cyril must be above board.
 

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Somehow I doubt that the people who want free shyt are the ones who give a shyt about Saudi Arabia's human rights record.
Leftists are some of the loudest condemners of Saudi Arabia. Although that's motivated by the fact the Saudis are aligned with the U.S but it's feigned as outrage over human rights violations.
 

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Do you know that the Saudi is a Muslim country, so any deal the offer Cyril must be above board.
what do you mean. that statement is odd.

so its impossible to do something below the board. impossible. they spontaneously combust if they do.
 

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Guantanamo Bay.
Innocent civilians killed in the Bush Era in Iraq and Afghanistan.
USA sponsored rebels in Libya killing thousands.
Sanctions in countless countries resulting in economic and human hardship (and death) for innocent civilians.
Police brutally in their home soil resulting in the killing of black people.

There are many others...

Strange website alert!!!
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201804/24/WS5adf2d4aa3105cdcf651a3db.html

BEIJING - The US-led military operations in other countries have caused heavy civilian casualties, according to the Human Rights Record of the United States in 2017 released by China on Tuesday.

Military operations in Syria caused a large number of civilian casualties, the report said, citing media reports.

The US-led coalition and Marines had reportedly bombed or shelled at least 12 schools, 15 mosques, 15 bridges as well as residential neighborhoods, hospitals, cultural relics and refugee camp, according to www.motherjones.com.

The Muslim Times website reported on June 24, 2017 that the US military had attacked Syrian government forces "at least four times in recent months" , including a missile strike in April against a Syrian airfield. Myles Hoenig, an American political analyst, said the United States was violating the UN Charter by conducting a war of aggression against Syria.

In a hearing of the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights, former Guantanamo detainee Djamel Ameziane prepared a written statement saying he was detained for 11 years, faced prolonged incommunicado detention, multiple forms of torture, and never received a judicial determination regarding the legality of his detention, the report quoted Al Jazeera website as saying.

Also, according to a report of The USA Today website, the UN and human rights organizations had criticized US authorities for creating a "legal black hole" in Guantanamo allowing for the infinite detention of suspects without charge, and for holding many of the detainees for more than a decade.

The report released by China also said that the United States has made cyber warfare tools, citing WikiLeaks information that the US National Security Agency operators had hacked into Pakistani mobile networks and had been spying on hundreds of IP addresses in the country.

The report was released by the Information Office of the State Council, China's cabinet, in response to the US Country Reports on Human Rights Practices for 2017.
 

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All valid criticisms, but they pale into insignificance against the top Human Rights Abusers in the world.
Those complaining about Saudi Arabian human rights record must also complain about other countries, like the US of A. Otherwise they're either hypocrites, or their minds and opinions are moulded by popular opinions and/or mainstream media coverage.
 

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Those complaining about Saudi Arabian human rights record must also complain about other countries, like the US of A. Otherwise they're either hypocrites, or their minds and opinions are moulded by popular opinions and/or mainstream media coverage.
How is your opinion moulded, by the voices in your head?
 

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Nothing wrong with using "whataboutism" in my book. Giving it a name with the intention to make the use of it shameful doesn't make it unjustified to use it. If you're thief, and you call other people thieves, I'll point out to everyone that you are a thief. This is the information age, if Saudi Arabia has gross human rights records, people must be reminded that this so called leader of the free world that they love also has questionable human rights violations too.
 
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