Artsolar under investigation over panel imports

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Artsolar under investigation over panel imports

The Industrial Development Corporation (IDC) is investigating Durban-based Artsolar over the extent of its local solar panel manufacturing capacity, GroundUp reports.

The government-run investment entity provided R90 million in funding to upgrade Artsolar's solar assembly and manufacturing plant in New Germany.
 
how typical, the Indian run local solar panel manufacturing business down the road is a scam and a rip off.... no surprise!

Artsolar panels are more expensive, yet they make them down the road, they should be half the price?! Let me guess why? GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS

and they charge you like R100,000 for installation for their 16kw system.... what a joke
 
It doesn't matter where it comes form because if something is local is cost twice as much and honestly we lack the capability to be competitive. Drop the act, drop import cost on these products and give us the freedom to have electricity when Eskom is slowly degrade into nothingness.

If something is South African made put a smoke detector next to it, it will fail just as spectacularly as the imports. So don't start with this quality and safety. If Eskom cared about safety they wouldn't pump our atmosphere full of poison, if the municipality cared about safety they wouldn't dump raw suage into our water supply. If anyone cared about COCs our municipality installations wouldn't look as bad as they do.

South Africans need to seriously consider what rules are imposed on us VS government entities and ask why there is such a high double standard. Blocking imports isn't helping anyone anymore, it only aids in more corruption like the above.
 
Jackal46 said:
It doesn't matter where it comes form because if something is local is cost twice as much and honestly we lack the capability to be competitive. Drop the act, drop import cost on these products and give us the freedom to have electricity when Eskom is slowly degrade into nothingness.

If something is South African made put a smoke detector next to it, it will fail just as spectacularly as the imports. So don't start with this quality and safety. If Eskom cared about safety they wouldn't pump our atmosphere full of poison, if the municipality cared about safety they wouldn't dump raw suage into our water supply. If anyone cared about COCs our municipality installations wouldn't look as bad as they do.

South Africans need to seriously consider what rules are imposed on us VS government entities and ask why there is such a high double standard. Blocking imports isn't helping anyone anymore, it only aids in more corruption like the above.
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100%.

The hell with Local is Lekker.
 
Semantics. Assembly is a manufacturing process. Almost all companies that “manufacture” stuff use imported materials in the chain. The question is when does assembly deviate from manufacturing? As far as I can see, assembly is a sub-process of manufacturing. How do you quantify the percentage of manufacturing that assembly is and what is the magic number that allows you to call yourself a manufacturer vs an assembler? Waste of courts time as far as I can see.
 
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Willie Trombone said:
Semantics. Assembly is a manufacturing process. Almost all companies that “manufacture” stuff use imported materials in the chain. The question is when does manufacturing deviate from assembly? As far as I can see, assembly is a sub-process of manufacturing. How do you quantify the percentage of manufacturing that assembly is and what is the magic number that allows you to call yourself a manufacturer vs an assembler? Waste of courts time as far as I can see.
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Yup, all just smoke & mirrors.
 
Its OK they can't compete anyways so once a bunch of tax money is siphoned off it will just fall apart.
 
Willie Trombone said:
Semantics. Assembly is a manufacturing process. Almost all companies that “manufacture” stuff use imported materials in the chain. The question is when does assembly deviate from manufacturing? As far as I can see, assembly is a sub-process of manufacturing. How do you quantify the percentage of manufacturing that assembly is and what is the magic number that allows you to call yourself a manufacturer vs an assembler? Waste of courts time as far as I can see.
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I have a bridge to sell to anybody who believes we have any panel manufacturing capability.
 
Nobody is going to start manufacturing the silicon modules that are used in solar panels for R90m. And anybody who believed that that what was going to happen is seriously delusional.

Most of all the solar modules used in panels are made in China. Even Canadian Solar... Is mostly made in China. Why? Because they are extremely good at it. And nobody else can compete.

Same with battery cells. BYD and CATL is just miles and miles ahead on the technology compared to everybody else. That is why Tesla actually buys most of their battery cells instead of manufacturing them itself.

I wouldn't discard the assembly of batteries or solar panels though. It is a worthwhile economic exercise. Why ship aluminum all over the world if we have it here. Just shop the silicon modules and we can do the glass and aluminum parts in factories here.
 
Swa said:
I have a bridge to sell to anybody who believes we have any panel manufacturing capability.
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The pessimists like you never do anything and consequently have nothing to sell.
 
these things fail because slowly but surely the cadres increase how much “to eat” they want from government investments and the private company just lands up bleeding money. It’s not sustainable when it’s just a vehicle to laundering.
 
HobieDave said:
Or just a realist....
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Alright, sell me a bridge.... Market it to me, prove ownership. Pessimists never see opportunity and what is there

You have nothing to sell to me because you have NOTHING, a R4 mill bridge is not on the assets balance sheet with you.

I'm tempted to narrate a story to you;

" So an American firm looking for yield opportunities abroad thinks about making shoes for the African market, so one of the partners goes on a LSD trip (look, see & decide) to Africa, and he finds that nobody in Africa has shoes, he returns to the states and reports that selling shoes in Africa would be futile as nobody there wears shoes.

"Another firm manufacturing shoes, decides to seek a new yield market in Africa and one of the partners goes to Africa on a LSD, he returns to the states reporting that Africa would be a gold mine for them as nobody there wears shoes, it would be totally new.

The gloomy failure mentality is constricted to failure and can achieve nothing.

People who own and sell bridges are optimistic in nature, and amenable to risk, failures in life are hopeless in the quintessential meaning.

If you interested, I have investment rental sectional titles I can sell to you, that I want to unload, the optimist that I am I'm hoping that you and me might come to a agreeable price to grow your portfolio..... PM please, we can structure a favourable deal.
 
Johand said:
Nobody is going to start manufacturing the silicon modules that are used in solar panels for R90m. And anybody who believed that that what was going to happen is seriously delusional.

Most of all the solar modules used in panels are made in China. Even Canadian Solar... Is mostly made in China. Why? Because they are extremely good at it. And nobody else can compete.

Same with battery cells. BYD and CATL is just miles and miles ahead on the technology compared to everybody else. That is why Tesla actually buys most of their battery cells instead of manufacturing them itself.

I wouldn't discard the assembly of batteries or solar panels though. It is a worthwhile economic exercise. Why ship aluminum all over the world if we have it here. Just shop the silicon modules and we can do the glass and aluminum parts in factories here.
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Tesla make new batteries and recycle old batteries into new at all their Gigafactories.... they have a partnership with Panasonic, from day 1... they operate inside the gigafactory.

No Mr. Chinaman around...
 
Wrath of Khan MD said:
Tesla make new batteries and recycle old batteries into new at all their Gigafactories.... they have a partnership with Panasonic, from day 1... they operate inside the gigafactory.

No Mr. Chinaman around...
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I know there are Tesla’s with catl and byd blade batteries. Probably the ones made in china and Germany.
 
90m would not pay for the factory needed.

We pay an extra 10% on panels because of these cnuts.
 
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they are manufacturing plants inside the gigafactory, but it still falls under the Tesla brand. They produce them inhouse.. even recycle them
 
Nothing wrong with their business plan. Assembling, legally falls under manufacturing. and you can legally get grants and tax cuts earmarked for manufacturing.

There is not a single manufacturing plant on earth that build everything needed in the process, not even in China. It'll be economic suicide. For decades SA are "manufacturing" cars on assembly lines and nobody had a problem with that.

Quit this lazy thinking
 
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