Austria sues European Union, claiming natural gas and nuclear energy are not 'green'

[tetrasect]

No you're stupid with this. Sorry.

Absorbing the IR radiation is what is meant by heat trapping. Atoms increase the electron orbits before emitting the radiation back into the atmosphere scattered which allows more ground heating by emitting a lot of it back down. The CO2, water vapor and methane molecules will continue vibrating during these absorptions while on its path, conducting the energy out to the rest of the atmosphere, warming it up and emitting IR causing more ground warming.

Natural greenhouse gasses are what is keeping the temperature suited for life. It's a pretty delicate balance. Adding more produces hotter and hotter global average temperatures.

This guy is dumb as a plank.

 

[wingnut771]

No - the effect that CO2 emissions have on "global warming" is so small that it can effectively be discarded/ignored.
CO2 emissions are not the cause of "global warming".

Why is there global warming only in the last 100 years and before that it was fine for thousands of years?

 

[Moosedrool]

No - the effect that CO2 emissions have on "global warming" is so small that it can effectively be discarded/ignored.

You keep saying this. It's incorrect but you just say it and believe it.

 

[rietrot]

Then you understand that CO2 emissions which are caused by humans create global warming.

Great chat.

Main sources of carbon dioxide emissions

There are both natural and human sources of carbon dioxide emissions. Natural sources include decomposition, ocean release and respiration. Human sources come from activities like cement production, deforestation as well as the burning of fossil fuels like coal, oil and natural gas.

whatsyourimpact.org

Greenie article that would like to disagree with you. It contains some basic facts.

Their conclusion is probably wrong, but you could use it. It is better than what you have now.

 

[tetrasect]

Main sources of carbon dioxide emissions

There are both natural and human sources of carbon dioxide emissions. Natural sources include decomposition, ocean release and respiration. Human sources come from activities like cement production, deforestation as well as the burning of fossil fuels like coal, oil and natural gas.

whatsyourimpact.org

Greenie article that would like to disagree with you. It contains some basic facts.

Their conclusion is probably wrong, but you could use it. It is better than what you have now.

The increase in carbon emissions is caused by humans, I don't need a list.

 

[The Voice]

This "climate change" thing is so silly.
People have somehow been convinced that CO2 emissions are "killing the planet" - that it is Science - that it is an indisputable proven fact.

Politics it is.
Not Science.

If only the planet was covered with something that converted CO2 into O2. Oh, wait…

 

[Moosedrool]

If only the planet was covered with something that converted CO2 into O2. Oh, wait…

It's not that simple. Plants die as well and release carbon dioxide naturally not to mention the rate at which people are producing greenhouse gasses is far greater than any natural absorption plants can provide.

I would like to see more trees though but this plant a billion trees "solution" has been under scientist critique for ages.

 

[wingnut771]

It's not that simple. Plants die as well and release carbon dioxide naturally not to mention the rate at which people are producing greenhouse gasses is far greater than any natural absorption plants can provide.

I would like to see more trees though but this plant a billion trees "solution" has been under scientist critique for ages.

Sounds pretty simple.

 

[The Voice]

It's not that simple. Plants die as well and release carbon dioxide naturally not to mention the rate at which people are producing greenhouse gasses is far greater than any natural absorption plants can provide.

I would like to see more trees though but this plant a billion trees "solution" has been under scientist critique for ages.

The majority of CO2 isn’t converted to oxygen by trees, but by algae in the ocean.

 

[Moosedrool]

Sounds pretty simple.

It's not as simple as plants breath CO2 so let's plant more. And @TheVoice The CO2 levels are rising so obviously algae is ineffective.

Carbon tax wouldn't work either since we live in a culture of consumption and the basic requirements for human survival in modern society requires these fossil fuels. You're not going to brush your teeth less because toothpaste is now more expensive. You're just pumping money into some dude's pocket for being concerned.

In the end I think the world will have to resort to every conspiracy nutter's wet dream. After significantly reducing greenhouse gas outputs there's no doubt in my mind that spraying reflective aerosols will probably become common place. Geoengineering.

But that's just my theory.

 

[The Voice]

It's not as simple as plants breath CO2 so let's plant more. And @TheVoice The CO2 levels are rising so obviously algae is ineffective.

Carbon tax wouldn't work either since we live in a culture of consumption and the basic requirements for human survival in modern society requires these fossil fuels. You're not going to brush your teeth less because toothpaste is now more expensive. You're just pumping money into some dude's pocket for being concerned.

In the end I think the world will have to resort to every conspiracy nutter's wet dream. After significantly reducing greenhouse gas outputs there's no doubt in my mind that spraying reflective aerosols will probably become common place. Geoengineering.

But that's just my theory.

Fair points. But what about the fact that the majority of the world is scrambling to make all these changes, while the majority of the CO2 pumped into the atmosphere comes from only 2 countries: China and India. And neither even acknowledges the fact, or plans to do anything to change it?

 

[ForceFate]

No - the effect that CO2 emissions have on "global warming" is so small that it can effectively be discarded/ignored.
CO2 emissions are not the cause of "global warming".

Someone asked you to cite your references or sources or post original work. You've tiptoed around the question or request since ir simply ignored it. It shouldn't be that difficult.

 

[Moosedrool]

Fair points. But what about the fact that the majority of the world is scrambling to make all these changes, while the majority of the CO2 pumped into the atmosphere comes from only 2 countries: China and India. And neither even acknowledges the fact, or plans to do anything to change it?

Unfortunately the countries who ignore this will have prosperous economies. There's nothing to stop them.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Someone asked you to cite your references or sources or post original work. You've tiptoed around the question or request since ir simply ignored it. It shouldn't be that difficult.

He has no source other than I says so.

 

[tetrasect]

It's not that simple. Plants die as well and release carbon dioxide naturally not to mention the rate at which people are producing greenhouse gasses is far greater than any natural absorption plants can provide.

I would like to see more trees though but this plant a billion trees "solution" has been under scientist critique for ages.

Sure, it's not a standalone solution. Nothing is. We must take steps everywhere where we can and the totality of our efforts will make the difference.

Trees still capture carbon much better than anything we can make. Those carbon capture factories are a scam at the moment.

 

[Moto Guzzi]

The Earth is not a closed system.

I get your point though.

Lets say the Earth is not closed shut in the universe of things, but as closed as your body cells in operation, but for us as humans and our lifestyle and the resources we have to mine to maintain our way of living, for all practical purposes its closed, meaning if we run out of the basic resources, we done and starve to death, ands thats real, we just did not experience in yet on a large scale. Our ability to mine outside of earth and bring it back not wasting moree reasources in the process of getting it, is slim, we as humans are just too minute in the universe.

The real simple way(Deeply abstract, money is just a medium) of how our living is possible as it is, is probably never talked about, so we are all born into it, having it, not fully realising the basics. We just don't see it yet.

Money cannot be wasted, but resources are. No resources, money is wortless, not even a consideration at that point. Money just flow from one account to another, but in the process you can be sure resources had been wasted, meaning it does not regenerate itself automatically, it may appear that way till the bottom fall out.

Basic resources MUST be cheap(Involved in everything upwards you have no coice you must use these just to basicly live today, otherwise it will destroy the smartest monetary systems exponentially over time, no matter how much money you print and dump into it,3rd/th/5th world countries just don't get it.

So those with energetic ditital eteopiaetic plans & pipe dreams and schemes and go balistic about it, make sure you understand this 1st, its going to very difficult to turn back apon in two-to-five generations.Destroying the basic concept of living on a "closed plane" like Earth at 7 Billion plus, is going to be hell to pay.

Remember to old power systems grew gradually over years, and the new systems are dumped on us at 7 Billion, its NOT proven at that scale to work, its going to be a sudden shock state like event, of course a few will get ultra rich quickly, but where are they going to flee too, Mars perhaps-?.

 

[porchrat]

Lets say the Earth is not closed

In the sense of a closed system in physics the Earth is not closed. It receives energy from the Sun. It also is occasionally impacted by other objects coming from "outside" the system. It also experiences gravitational influences from "outside" of the system.

I understand that you're saying that resources are finite, and eventually will be stretched thin across a large enough population. I get that point and agree with it.

The Earth however, is not a closed system. Period.

 

[Ponderer]

Another example of just how crazy the reasoning of climate cultists are.
Thoroughly brainwashed, and thoroughly crazy.
Soft in the head they are.
They have been indoctrinated to believe that "the climate crisis" is real.

It is further evident that these soft in the head individuals are well represented in this thread.

 

[ForceFate]

Another example of just how crazy the reasoning of climate cultists are.
Thoroughly brainwashed, and thoroughly crazy.
Soft in the head they are.
They have been indoctrinated to believe that "the climate crisis" is real.

It is further evident that these soft in the head individuals are well represented in this thread.

Scientist or politician? Pointless showing videos of people who can't answer the more technical questions about the physics of climate change.

 

[wingnut771]

Scientist or politician? Pointless showing videos of people who can't answer the more technical questions about the physics of climate change.

Of course, I asked him a simple question. No response.