Austria sues European Union, claiming natural gas and nuclear energy are not 'green'

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ToxicBunny said:
I sense some speciesism in you, that is not a good look. The Amoeba are as important as T-Rex you know.
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I am a speciest yes, T-Rex pfft what is this a popularity show, Ankylosaur is better.
 
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Sinbad said:
It may well destroy the ecosystems that we rely on to survive, but other ecosystems will replace those.
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There will ALWAYS be replacement ecosystems after an environmental disaster. It is literally beyond the ability of humans to sterilise the planet (we couldn’t even if we wanted to). We can barely keep cockroaches and rats out of the places we don’t want them.

And as long as there’s survivors, there’ll be new ecosystems and life goes on, post-Anthropocene.

But yeah, it may screw us, as civilised humans, over.
 
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Lupus said:
Nuclear is green, Muppets. Natural gas isn't I'll grant them that
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Its confusing because they talk about sustainable and green at the same time. Those are two different things/goals.

Natural gas is sustainable but not green...
 
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Nerfherder said:
Its confusing because they talk about sustainable and green at the same time. Those are two different things/goals.

Natural gas is sustainable but not green...
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This is the biggest issue with the politicians being involved, technically coal is sustainable as well.
 
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I see you're falling for big oils lies, firstly there isn't large volumes of radioactive waste, also 90% of it's reused. The remaining amount sure does remain radioactive for years, but we are actually disposing of it far better then we do other power supplies waste products, we actually know where they are.
In all the time we've had nuclear power, we've had 3 incidents that has killed maybe 30 people, while coal has killed millions and will continue to, coal power actually releases more radiation then nuclear does btw.

Also
  • Since the start of nuclear electricity production in 1954 to the end of 2016, some 390,000 tonnes of spent fuel were generated. About two-thirds is in storage while the other third was reprocessed."
Massive tons in almost 70 years it generated enough to fill an American football field, oh no how will we ever manage to contain it all.

Big oil loves solar and wind as you need them still to actually produce power, why do you think BP invests in solar and wind, but not nuclear. One would make them extinct.

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Those don't decay by the way lead, cadmium and arsenic remain toxic indefinitely
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What’s wrong with what’s happening now?​

This waste is problematic because the volume is large, many hundreds of thousands of cubic meters. The tanks in Hanford and Savannah River are way beyond their design lifetimes, so they’re corroding and some have leaked. The radioactive fluid is being released to the environment. The rates are not high, but I think it’s discouraging that we continue to release radioactivity to the environment because after more than 40 years of effort we still have not developed a successful plan for going forward.

The spent fuel from commercial power plants is much smaller, some 80,000 metric tonnes, but the total amount of radioactivity is roughly 20 to 30 times greater than defense waste. Today, it’s the spent fuel that demands the most attention as an immediate problem, particularly financially.

How much is nuclear waste costing American taxpayers?​

The two categories of waste are separated in the budget. At the moment, the budget for the Department of Energy is about $30 billion. Of that budget, about $12 billion is for the nuclear weapons programs. That leaves us $18 billion to use for all things related to energy — nuclear power, fossil fuel, wind, and solar. About $6 billion, one third, is used to deal with the legacy high-level waste from the Manhattan Project. We as taxpayers pay $6 billion every year to address that problem, a huge cost that we will incur for many decades into the future. The projected total cost of clean-up after the Manhattan Project is well over $300 billion. That’s more than the original cost of the weapons programs and the actual total will be even higher. That’s just the defense waste.

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The steep costs of nuclear waste in the U.S.

Expert Rodney C. Ewing discusses how failure to implement a permanent solution for nuclear waste storage and disposal is costing Americans billions of dollars per year.
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That's a pro-nuclear stance btw.
And that 390 000 tons is high-level nuclear waste in storage, full quote that I think you probably stole from:
Commissioner Kevin Scarce said there were 390,000 tonnes of high-level nuclear waste in worldwide inventories, and nearly 10 million cubic metres of intermediate-level waste — all of it produced from nuclear power generation.
www.abc.net.au

Nuclear waste dump to meet 'global need' recommended for SA

A nuclear dump in South Australia could take 13 per cent of the world's waste, meeting a "global need", and also be of benefit to the state, a royal commission finds.
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That's 2016.

And Michael Shellenberger (your Forbes article) is not a credible source on renewables, he directly makes money off saying how bad it is and has been hired as a PR man for fossil fuel industries before.
 
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Lupus said:
It's lego :( and I would've killed for one of those, ooh especially the dino-riders toy, I had a Pteradon.
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Those Dino rider toys were great. Had the Stego IIRC. Wanted the Bronto and Trex.
 
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theratman said:
Those Dino rider toys were great. Had the Stego IIRC. Wanted the Bronto and Trex.
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I had the Pteradon, cause I've liked flying things for a long time, but my brother had the ankylosaur and I was like damn that thing is cool.
Strangely this generation aren't as dino fussed as we were, even with the Jurassic movies out.
 
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I had the Pteradon, cause I've liked flying things for a long time, but my brother had the ankylosaur and I was like damn that thing is cool.
Strangely this generation aren't as dino fussed as we were, even with the Jurassic movies out.
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Guess it's somewhat due to streaming on demand etc, so many shows to choose from these days.

I had an awesome mammoth toy then too, but can't remember what show it was from.

/goes to google

Edit: Dino Riders Ice Age! (Don't remember watching that one though)
 
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Lupus said:
I had the Pteradon, cause I've liked flying things for a long time, but my brother had the ankylosaur and I was like damn that thing is cool.
Strangely this generation aren't as dino fussed as we were, even with the Jurassic movies out.
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I think it also depends on the family..

My nephew is dino-bevok, and army bevok as well... Even had to get him the Top Trumps set (who the hell know that shyte still existed)
 
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theratman said:
Guess it's somewhat due to streaming on demand etc, so many shows to choose from these days.

I had an awesome mammoth toy then too, but can't remember what show it was from.

/goes to google

Edit: Dino Riders Ice Age! (Don't remember watching that one though)
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Was going to say Dino Riders as well :)
 
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