Austria sues European Union, claiming natural gas and nuclear energy are not 'green'

[Lupus]

I think it also depends on the family..

My nephew is dino-bevok, and army bevok as well... Even had to get him the Top Trumps set (who the hell know that shyte still existed)

oh my son loves army stuff, even now at almost 11, but Dinosaurs he's never really been a fan, same as planes and cars, but if you look around my office, I've got planes, cars, dragons, dinosaurs and superheroes, all things he's not really into besides army .

 

[Ponderer]

Except it is:

Steamy Relationships: How Atmospheric Water Vapor Amplifies Earth's Greenhouse Effect – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

Vital Signs of the Planet: Global Climate Change and Global Warming. Current news and data streams about global warming and climate change from NASA.

climate.nasa.gov

I was being sarcastic.
But you knew that, right?

 

[ToxicBunny]

I was being sarcastic.
But you knew that, right?

And what is the effective greenhouse effect of water vapour vs CO2 then since you seem to be all up in this "Science" thing?

Also what is the duration of the CO2 effect vs water vapour? How long does each one last in the atmosphere?

 

[WizardOfAges]

I was being sarcastic.
But you knew that, right?

That permanent ban doesn't seem so far off now. I hoped you would have come back with a new perspective on things.

 

[Ponderer]

That permanent ban doesn't seem so far off now. I hoped you would have come back with a new perspective on things.

Why am I to be banned?

 

[WizardOfAges]

Why am I to be banned?

You're just back to the same old routine of attacking people.

 

[Ponderer]

You're just back to the same old routine of attacking people.

Where did I attack someone?

 

[ToxicBunny]

Where did I attack someone?

Are you going to answer my "science" questions?

 

[Moosedrool]

And what is the effective greenhouse effect of water vapour vs CO2 then since you seem to be all up in this "Science" thing?

Also what is the duration of the CO2 effect vs water vapour? How long does each one last in the atmosphere?

The way I understand is that heat trapping with water equates to half of the natural earth heating but it's also pretty balanced since at high humidity it will condense to form clouds effectively reflecting most light that would otherwise have contributed to the ground heat.

The issue is introducing more heat causes more water vapor as well as an increasing dew point temperature. The air can hold more water vapor before it has to condense and when it does the energy is greater causing more extreme weather events.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

Aside from producing large volumes of radioactive waste that remain radioactive for thousands of years, sure.

That is true and a big worry...especially due to the incredibly huge life cycles of said waste and the generations of people that will have to look after it.

This explains it perfectly:

Into Eternity: A Film for the Future (2010) - IMDb

Into Eternity: A Film for the Future: Directed by Michael Madsen. With Carl Reinhold Bråkenhjelm, Mikael Jensen, Berit Lundqvist, Michael Madsen. A documentary on the safety of nuclear storage.

www.imdb.com

But so it the millions of tons of spent solar panels about to also enter the Earth's waste cycle........etc etc.

Humans need energy and the sun and wind is not enough....because we are too many people on this planet.

It is a conundrum indeed...but I'd rather take nuclear waste than billions of tons of plastic and "glass" and end of cycle batteries.

 

[Ponderer]

Are you going to answer my "science" questions?

Happy to discuss.

 

[Lupus]

That is true and a big worry...especially due to the incredibly huge life cycles of said waste and the generations of people that will have to look after it.

This explains it perfectly:

Into Eternity: A Film for the Future (2010) - IMDb

Into Eternity: A Film for the Future: Directed by Michael Madsen. With Carl Reinhold Bråkenhjelm, Mikael Jensen, Berit Lundqvist, Michael Madsen. A documentary on the safety of nuclear storage.

www.imdb.com

But so it the millions of tons of spent solar panels about to also enter the Earth's waste cycle........etc etc.

Humans need energy and the sun and wind is not enough....because we are too many people on this planet.

It is a conundrum indeed...but I'd rather take nuclear waste than billions of tons of plastic and "glass" and end of cycle batteries.

And the more we use nuclear we are getting better at reusign it's waste, in 70 years it's not using that much storage as you'd expect. Also the waste from solar is toxic for-ever there is no half-life on it's toxicity.

 

[ToxicBunny]

The way I understand is that heat trapping with water equates to half of the natural earth heating but it's also pretty balanced since at high humidity it will condense to form clouds effectively reflecting most light that would otherwise have contributed to the ground heat.

The issue is introducing more heat causes more water vapor as well as an increasing dew point temperature. The air can hold more water vapor before it has to condense and when it does the energy is greater causing more extreme weather events.

Oh 100% that its a massive complicated system...

But I'm trying to simplify this down to its most simple terms... and a comparison between the global warming effects per pm of water vapour vs CO2

 

[ToxicBunny]

Happy to discuss.

So answer the very basic questions then,

I've posed about 4 to you so far.

 

[Ponderer]

So answer the very basic questions then,

I've posed about 4 to you so far.

3 silly questions, and 1 valid question to which the answer is glaringly obvious if you know what you are talking about.

 

[Bobbin]

Who remembers those learning magazine series that used to come with glow in the dark pieces/skeletons to put together into dinosaurs? Can't remember if they were weekly or monthly They still have those these days?
I also used to collect the series with all the different minerals and gems.
There was once a time people were convinced I was going to become an archeologist/paleontologist/geologist or something along those lines lol.

 

[ToxicBunny]

3 silly questions, and 1 valid question to which the answer is glaringly obvious if you know what you are talking about.

No, they are all valid questions, as they all attempt to ascertain your understanding of the basic subject that you are "happy to discuss"

But hell, I'll even accept you answer the 1 question you class as valid (but you will need to point out which one you deem valid)

 

[ToxicBunny]

Who remembers those learning magazine series that used to come with glow in the dark pieces/skeletons to put together into dinosaurs? Can't remember if they were weekly or monthly They still have those these days?
I also used to collect the series with all the different minerals and gems.
There was once a time people were convinced I was going to become an archeologist or geologist lol.

Those magazines were the business... They still do similar things these days, but they're PO3S expensive now, last time I saw one that had a monthly magazine with a bit of a bigger project attached it was like R350 for the magazine.

 

[Bobbin]

The way I understand is that heat trapping with water equates to half of the natural earth heating but it's also pretty balanced since at high humidity it will condense to form clouds effectively reflecting most light that would otherwise have contributed to the ground heat.

The issue is introducing more heat causes more water vapor as well as an increasing dew point temperature. The air can hold more water vapor before it has to condense and when it does the energy is greater causing more extreme weather events.

Not just the more extreme weather that is concerning... I recalled this video below discussing the tipping point... seems legit? It's not about the gradual changes, but the eventual runaway it might cause "suddenly". Not an expert though so no idea.

 

[zippy]

Well you aren't wrong in a very broad sense. CO2 isn't killing the planet, earth will carry on whatever the level of CO2 is... But it is killing the planet for us.

The indeed. Planet is doing great. It’s the idiots on surface who are f###ed