Ban on alcohol and cigarettes in South Africa

[Supervan II]

Dlamini-Zuma contends that Fita’s cigarette ban court case, which is one of at four potential legal challenges to the lawfulness of the NCCC and its decisions, is “not urgent” and should only be heard in the week of June 9 — a possible indication that the state’s level 4 lockdown will remain in place for at least another month.

That there, folks, sends shivers down my spine.

That means that she has now become judge, jury and executioner - since when can she decide on whether judicial matters are urgent or not?

 

[Temujin]

JOHANNESBURG - The Fair Trade Independent Tobacco Association heads to court on Tuesday.

It wants the ban on the sale of tobacco products declared invalid.

Tobacco association heads to court to fight ban

Fair Trade Independent Tobacco Association says it does not deny the health risks of tobacco but says the ban has not stopped people from smoking.

www.enca.com

 

[ToxicBunny]

That there, folks, sends shivers down my spine.

That means that she has now become judge, jury and executioner - since when can she decide on whether judicial matters are urgent or not?

If the judge is even vaguely independent, expect some very stern words dished out to Mama NDZ for assuming to speak on the courts behalf in regards to the urgency or not.

But so far, the government haven't provided even a stitch of anything concrete to justify the ban or the uturn on the ban... the court case looks likely to be a very difficult one for them to walk away from looking good or competent..

 

[Jabulani22]

On an unrelated note , i know of a place which will legitimately sell everything except nicotine , pg/vg etc .
If anyone wants to know just msg me , not sure if im allowed to just drop the link in here , maybe a mod could advise.

 

[Veroland]

the court case looks likely to be a very difficult one for them to walk away from looking good or competent..

I do hope so, but why did BAT really drop it's case then?

 

[ToxicBunny]

I do hope so, but why did BAT really drop it's case then?

They are engaging with government, and I think there is some agreement on a drop in lockdown etc etc... FITA were burnt by that once so they're not biting.

 

[Veroland]

They are engaging with government, and I think there is some agreement on a drop in lockdown etc etc... FITA were burnt by that once so they're not biting.

I just wish that "agreement" would be made public.

 

[ToxicBunny]

I just wish that "agreement" would be made public.

Not bloody likely...

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

a very difficult one for them to walk away from looking good or competent..

that is literally every sitting of parliament, what's yet another public display of incompetence to them at this stage?

 

[Groen92]

that is literally every sitting of parliament, what's yet another public display of incompetence to them at this stage?

True, they're not ashamed of their incompetence.

 

[ToxicBunny]

that is literally every sitting of parliament, what's yet another public display of incompetence to them at this stage?

The differentiator here is the court, and the fact that it sets a legal precedent.

If the courts find this regulation was irrational then it makes the road to do that with others easier.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

The differentiator here is the court, and the fact that it sets a legal precedent.

If the courts find this regulation was irrational then it makes the road to do that with others easier.

the courts found the following irrational, it has yet to change any behaviour in the guavamint:
- not prosecuting JZ's arms deal case
- sweeping JZ's Nkandla scandal under the rug
- for the house speaker to conclude she does not have the mandate to hold a secret ballot impeachment vote
- multiple public protector cases under the new well worn Zupta mattress' reign

 

[ToxicBunny]

the courts found the following irrational, it has yet to change any behaviour in the guavamint:
- not prosecuting JZ's arms deal case
- sweeping JZ's Nkandla scandal under the rug
- for the house speaker to conclude she does not have the mandate to hold a secret ballot impeachment vote
- multiple public protector cases under the new well worn Zupta mattress' reign

Do any of those court cases provide a basis to challenge the regulations under the DMA and the NCCC?

 

[/dev/null]

Well, any law or regulation that does not unjustifiably infringe on rights found in other laws and the constitution is rational.

 

[Rocket-Boy]

On an unrelated note , i know of a place which will legitimately sell everything except nicotine , pg/vg etc .
If anyone wants to know just msg me , not sure if im allowed to just drop the link in here , maybe a mod could advise.

Its typical that I ran out of nic about 2 weeks ago, I have tons of everything else. At least I managed to make a 500ml of my favourite juice so hopefully that lasts a while.

 

[Jabulani22]

Its typical that I ran out of nic about 2 weeks ago, I have tons of everything else. At least I managed to make a 500ml of my favourite juice so hopefully that lasts a while.

Use placebo effect on yourself

 

[Sneeky]

Government in talks about possible downgrade to level 3: Bheki Cele

Police minister Bheki Cele has hinted at a looming lockdown downgrade for the country from level 4 to level 3.

www.timeslive.co.za

On the subject of alcohol, Cele said the police had learnt a number of things during the lockdown, none more relevant than the contribution that alcohol plays in many crimes.
He remained adamant that the ban on alcohol sales, coupled with increased police visibility, had drastically reduced violent crime.

Part of the story, but far from the whole story!
The fact that no pubs/clubs/taverns/etc are open at all, that people are not allowed to go out or socialize seems to be completely overlooked.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Government in talks about possible downgrade to level 3: Bheki Cele

Police minister Bheki Cele has hinted at a looming lockdown downgrade for the country from level 4 to level 3.

www.timeslive.co.za

Part of the story, but far from the whole story!
The fact that no pubs/clubs/taverns/etc are open at all, that people are not allowed to go out or socialize seems to be completely overlooked.

Those small details do not matter to tea-totaller dickwad Don knobjockey...

He knows better than the rest of us, and history as well, and we can expect some type of Prohibition style bollocks for awhile if you ask me.

 

[Sneeky]

Booze and Ciggy companies should just all file 189's with the intent to slash 60% of their workforce. Cut their losses.
Let the unions argue the case with the government, they don't listen to mere mortals unless you are part of the cabal.

First shots across the bow

South Africa’s largest beer maker warns of up to 2,000 job losses – report

South Africa’s largest beer maker warns of up to 2,000 job losses – report The South African Breweries (SAB) has warned that around half of its front line workforce - 2,000 people are in the firing line should it not be able to continue bottling or distribution duties.

mybroadband.co.za

 

[gottagoon]

Dedicated to the ANC "intellectuals" making up the lockdown rules: