Ban on alcohol and cigarettes in South Africa

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Govt aware of economic harm of cigarette sale ban - but will lift when safe, court told | Fin24

Government is well aware of the economic harm and potential job losses caused by the ban on the sale of tobacco products, the court hears in the BATSA case.

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Yeah, except "safe" is not defined objectively. Wishy-washy nonsense. Hint: it's safe right now.

Breitenbach argued that a range of expert evidence considered indicates that, with an estimated 8 million smokers in SA, one can further estimate that the ban has potentially led to between 1.28 million and just under 4 million of them having quit smoking due to the ban, even if just temporarily.

Wow, such a wide range. Complete confidence in those estimates!

 

[daveza]

Dude is ripping NDZ's 'survey' apart.

 

[TEXTILE GUY]

Do these people even hear the schidt they spew??

People lives are constantly in threat in our little lawless Bantustan. To deflect all the deaths onto alcohol is just disingenuous or plain bulldust.

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Ban on alcohol and cigarettes in South Africa

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[Grouter]

That would be the easiest case to win. Unfortunately the vape community is just not that big or organized...

or that wealthy... (as BATSA)

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

I'd encourage everyone to watch the live stream now. Haha, NDZ's affidavit is getting ripped apart.

She has provided NO NUMBERS regarding how smokers affect ICU beds etc. Just random general statements.

 

[Deleted member 369928]

da fk is wrong with these judges. Saying they just make up the loss from the money from the IMF

 

[Alton Turner Blackwood]

I'd encourage everyone to watch the live stream now. Haha, NDZ's affidavit is getting ripped apart.

She has provided NO NUMBERS regarding how smokers affect ICU beds etc. Just random general statements.

Link?

 

[rietrot]

I'd encourage everyone to watch the live stream now. Haha, NDZ's affidavit is getting ripped apart.

She has provided NO NUMBERS regarding how smokers affect ICU beds etc. Just random general statements.

I think again focusing on the merits of the ban and not the legality of it is going to backfire.

 

[Deleted member 369928]

I think again focusing on the merits of the ban and not the legality of it is going to backfire.

It already has backfired. You can clearly see by the judges responses they already decided Tabaco will stay banned.

 

[Pineapple Smurf]

Lockdown in March taught me to Youtube my bum off during Level 5
When we hit Level 3 I went out and bought tons of ingredients
I havent had a sober day since last year and never wanna see another ****ing pineapple beer ever again that I havent had since April

Yesterdays brew on the go

 

[Tom427]

If they had at least the decency to give us a few days notice to buy some wine. That what irks me.
The binge drinkers would have used their stock up in no time, and I could sit by the fire with my glass of red.

If drunk people beat each other up, send the police. It worked when controlling morning exercise hours. Surely the minister of alcohol can monitor drinking hot spots.

But I can see that not even the high court and the power of BAT can oppose. And that worries me.
The ministers can do what they want. No accountability. (Oh, hold on: what is new?)

And they don'T care about the billions of tax lost. Or the jobs.

Can they not just build more hospitals with that tax money?? IF this is about hospital beds.

 

[DsBalsak]

da fk is wrong with these judges. Saying they just make up the loss from the money from the IMF

I think that was more said as a joke as u look at the response from the laywer

 

[Tom427]

That must be a sarcastic reply...

What should become clear is that the minister of tobacco's son deals in illicit cigarettes.
Very clear to me where the ban comes from.

 

[daveza]

Attorney made a powerful closing argument - there's hope.

 

[Deleted member 369928]

I wont hold my breath. 2 - 4 weeks before judgement comes out. Then appeal, then another 2 months before appeal is heard. Then another 4 weeks for judgement, then another appeal, and so it goes.

 

[ToxicBunny]

I wont hold my breath. 2 - 4 weeks before judgement comes out. Then appeal, then another 2 months before appeal is heard. Then another 4 weeks for judgement, then another appeal, and so it goes.

The appeal process entirely depends on the wording of the judgment. If it's an immediate strike down then appeals become interesting.

 

[dualmeister]

Lockdown in March taught me to Youtube my bum off during Level 5
When we hit Level 3 I went out and bought tons of ingredients
I havent had a sober day since last year and never wanna see another ****ing pineapple beer ever again that I havent had since April

Yesterdays brew on the go

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I just bought beer from my local "shebeen" instead

 

[Temujin]

Ride in a crammed taxi, but minister worried about smoking once you're home - BATSA lawyer | Fin24

Taxis can be filled to capacity, yet Minister Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma seems more concerned about people smoking once they get home, the court hears in the BATSA case.

www.news24.com

 

[John Tempus]

The court case if extended another 4 weeks and another 4 weeks would be all for nothing and that is how the ANC is planning to take out the tobacco and alcohol industry in SA along with all their employees.

The industry cannot sustain another 4-8 weeks of this back and forth bs in court when there is huge losses each day and people being laid off each day as this circus goes on.

 

[Tom427]

You guys read this?

Court case to reopen sale of table wine: 6 questions with Rust en Vrede owner Jean Engelbrecht | News24

News24 spoke to one of the applicants about why he believes wine sales should be treated differently.

www.news24.com

They may even have to empty the current vintage into the drain!