Ban on alcohol and cigarettes in South Africa

[B-1]

You have been able to zol in peace since Sept 2018.

People were still being arrested as the laws were never changed just the constitutional ruling that it was legal to grow and consume in your own home. There's no way you would have been able to walk past police with a flowering plant soon that will be perfectly legal if they approve and implement these laws.

 

[wingnut771]

People were still being arrested as the laws were never changed just the constitutional ruling that it was legal to grow and consume in your own home. There's no way you would have been able to walk past police with a flowering plant soon that will be perfectly legal if they approve and implement these laws.

because you're not on your private property.

 

[Misanthrope]

People were still being arrested as the laws were never changed just the constitutional ruling that it was legal to grow and consume in your own home. There's no way you would have been able to walk past police with a flowering plant soon that will be perfectly legal if they approve and implement these laws.

And your point is?

 

[B-1]

And your point is?

That its still illegal according to the laws of this country to do most things required for even growing and consuming your own weed.

 

[wingnut771]

That its still illegal according to the laws of this country to do most things required for even growing and consuming your own weed.

 

[Misanthrope]

Emerging studies increasingly show that people who smoke are less likely to contract Covid-19 than people who never smoked or who previously smoked but stopped.

This begs the questions:

1. Does the MAC know this?
2. Did they inform the NCCC or whatever the f#$kers call the structure that replaced parliament?

If the answer to any of the questions is "No" then the MAC failed and may be complicit in endangering the lives of 8m citizens.

If the answer to both questions are "Yes" then it stands to reason that the NCCC, CR, NDZ and ZM, either together or individually, is deliberately endangering these same 8m citizens.

Which brings us to the definition of genocide:

"the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular nation or ethnic group."

 

[Misanthrope]

That its still illegal according to the laws of this country to do most things required for even growing and consuming your own weed.

The Concourt ruled that "the right to privacy extends beyond the boundaries of the home. The requirement that use, possession or cultivation must be private remains.

The Cannabis judgment effectively means that adult persons are now permitted to use, possession and cultivation of cannabis in a private place for personal consumption."

So any act or law in contradiction is therefor unconstitutional and illegal and not the private cultivation and consumption.

It also found that it makes no sense to ban cannabis but allow alcohol and tobacco.

 

[The_Mowgs]

That its still illegal according to the laws of this country to do most things required for even growing and consuming your own weed.

No its not

 

[Steamy Tom]

That its still illegal according to the laws of this country to do most things required for even growing and consuming your own weed.

bra don't even try argue it, just know what you know. okes can find out the hard way

 

[MiW]

Emerging studies increasingly show that people who smoke are less likely to contract Covid-19 than people who never smoked or who previously smoked but stopped.

This begs the questions:

1. Does the MAC know this?
2. Did they inform the NCCC or whatever the f#$kers call the structure that replaced parliament?

If the answer to any of the questions is "No" then the MAC failed and may be complicit in endangering the lives of 8m citizens.

If the answer to both questions are "Yes" then it stands to reason that the NCCC, CR, NDZ and ZM, either together or individually, is deliberately endangering these same 8m citizens.

Which brings us to the definition of genocide:

"the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular nation or ethnic group."

The NCCC knows, but uses the WHO argument, that those studies were not peer reviewed , and uses contra studies about the severe cases of covid in smokers (which are ex-smokers after few days in hospital, putting them in the highest risk) have worse outcome.
No one even mentions that they need nicotine, if unable to smoke.


The above is peer reviewed based on 17mill patients records.

 

[Misanthrope]

A second fact that emerged in the BATSA case is that NDZ admits she knew the ban would lead to the increase of illicit trade.

In view of the fact that she now knows Adriano Mazotti's involvement in the illicit trade and the fact that she must know of Edward Zuma's involvement makes for interesting hypothesis.

 

[tetrasect]

I think you miss the point, if restaurants have to stop making their biggest profit from alcohol, the food prices will have to go double. Would you pay double for your meal, how many people will be able to afford eating out?
Have you been in a restaurant in Europe or USA, any ideas how much it costs?

There is a point to be made that during this time restaurants will not be doing well whether or not they serve alcohol... It's pretty naive for restaurant owners to think that the lack of alcohol is the main reason there are less customers.
Obviously they should un-ban alcohol with immediate effect, I just feel sorry for the restaurants when they realize it didn't actually make that much of a difference...

EDIT: Unless they serve alcohol "only" at restaurants... then we will see the biggest boom in history.

 

[Dan C]

There is a point to be made that during this time restaurants will not be doing well whether or not they serve alcohol... It's pretty naive for restaurant owners to think that the lack of alcohol is the main reason there are less customers.
Obviously they should un-ban alcohol with immediate effect, I just feel sorry for the restaurants when they realize it didn't actually make that much of a difference...

EDIT: Unless they serve alcohol "only" at restaurants... then we will see the biggest boom in history.

BS. I enjoy going to restaurants, but I will NEVER go if I can't have some wine with my meal.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Booze ban risks trade deal

EU liquor lobbyists not happy about skewing of balance in SA's biggest trade treaty

www.businesslive.co.za

SA's continued ban on the sale of alcohol could threaten its biggest trade deal - the Economic Partnership Agreement (EPA) signed with the EU.

An organisation representing spirit makers and agri-product exporters in Europe is complaining that the local ban on alcohol sales is fast leading to a trade imbalance in relation to SA's wine exports and spirit imports.

In terms of the EPA signed with our biggest trading bloc, SA has a quota of 110-million litres of duty-free wine exports to Europe, which in 2019 netted the country R5.7bn in export earnings. SA is also the prime destination for European spirits in Africa, with imports amounting to €255m (R5.2bn) in 2019.

The development comes as SA's top brewers and a prominent glassmaker announced plans to halt up to R13bn in new investments as a result of the prohibition.

The organisation SpiritsEurope said the ban is ripping away the benefits of the EPA between SA and the EU. It warned the government to cancel the ban or "risk the consequences" at home and abroad.

"Our member companies operating in South Africa are deeply concerned about the uncertainty of current trading conditions. The lack of clarity on whether and when the ban might be lifted makes business planning impossible. We therefore need a clear and reliable timeline," said SpiritsEurope director-general Ulrich Adam.

Business Times understands that the matter was discussed in a meeting between Adam, the EU Commission in Brussels and EU representatives in SA this week.

It is expected to be formally raised with the South African government once regulations applicable to the extension of the lockdown are made public.

The chances that the crook-in-the-doek and the other functionally stupid NCCC members took this into account? Zero.

 

[Tokolotshe]

Booze ban risks trade deal

EU liquor lobbyists not happy about skewing of balance in SA's biggest trade treaty

www.businesslive.co.za

The chances that the crook-in-the-doek and the other functionally stupid NCCC members took this into account? Zero.

The chances that they care, even if they semi-understood it? Zero. 'It's not 4ever', you can stop eating for the next six months, year, ... or however long they wish to prepare. Sure, dying of CovID is a reality, we se a IFR of 0.5% to 1%. However 100% of people die of hunger if they don't eat. Ditto, you can't put off creditors just because NDZ & Co said no. As such we see a business mortality.

There is a strong disconnect by the supposed leaders from reality. Jury's out on whether they are deliberately trying to destroy our economy, or just simply too stupid to get it

 

[Spliffcat]

Too stupid to get it.

 

[ToxicBunny]

The chances that they care, even if they semi-understood it? Zero. 'It's not 4ever', you can stop eating for the next six months, year, ... or however long they wish to prepare. Sure, dying of CovID is a reality, we se a IFR of 0.5% to 1%. However 100% of people die of hunger if they don't eat. Ditto, you can't put off creditors just because NDZ & Co said no. As such we see a business mortality.

There is a strong disconnect by the supposed leaders from reality. Jury's out on whether they are deliberately trying to destroy our economy, or just simply too stupid to get it

Largely just too stupid. The complexity of a modern economy is too much for their backwards communist brains to grasp.

 

[The Trutherizer]

Economy needs to revive itself, adapt and do away with Alcohol.

Industry's cannot go on... thinking ahead and going forward relying on alcohol. They must change their ways and do business regardless of alcohol. Many brands change or someone buys them out or changes the recipe. Then you are reliant on another persons product. That is just stupid.

Restaurants blaming that they cannot make money cause of alcohol. That is absurd. There are many shops and food places that sell perfectly good meals with normal soft drinks and no alcohol is on the table. I'm not saying no alcohol must be on the table, but an industry should not "stand still" because of it.

The fact that they want to go on strike and all that because of that, just shows you how reliant they are (or how reliant they made them-self on it). Very similar to an addiction, they can't go without it. They feel "a lack" without it.

SA needs to sober up, our people are dying due to alcohol. I know our every day person doesn't think it's true .The fact is, there are hundreds if not thousands of people that cannot hold their liquor. They cause accidents or get aggro and beat their wife or children when too much alcohol was consumed.

It is sad tho... that the minority is making it bad for the majority.

Just like our government. Trying to solve the wrong problem. Alcohol is not a problem. Not even a little bit. Alcohol abuse on the other hand is a serious problem. Drunk driving is a serious problem. Neither of which will be solved by silly little bans. Only education could ever solve those.
Also have you ever had to run a restaurant/bar? Or just sucking "That is absurd" out of your butt? Do you even have a clue how important tourism is for our country? How much of a barrier to complete economic irrelevance it has been for decades already? Do you understand that without a working economy there is no hope for this country?
Right now we are all facing a MUCH more serious issue - Covid. A situation government is abusing to push other agendas such as the naive little ban you're obviously a fan of. This split in attention and the general naivety behind the bans are actually exacerbating the main problem we're facing, and creating more serious societal problems.

But anyway. I doubt I'll get you or the government to see the error of your ways. All I can say is that I'm tired that dumbsh**s are making the decisions.

 

[Currantly]

I'm casually predicting that at least the alcohol ban will be lifted this week...I mean, it has to be....

 

[dualmeister]

I'm casually predicting that at least the alcohol ban will be lifted this week...I mean, it has to be....

I said that 2 weeks ago. I recon by next Monday.