Ban on alcohol and cigarettes in South Africa

[pinball wizard]

So, you're saying that prohibition would shift the money into the hands of government...

https://www.timeslive.co.za/sunday-...-with-cigarette-smuggler-and-gambling-tycoon/

It is, it has it will remain.

 

[HelterSkelter]

https://www.change.org/p/president-cyril-ramaphosa-lift-the-ban-on-cigarette-sales-in-south-africa

Sign the petition to lift the ban on cigarettes!

Have change.org or other online petitions ever produced the desired results?

 

[AlphaJohn]

Have change.org or other online petitions ever produced the desired results?

Well at least the tabaco industry can use that number to counter the 2000 that was raised

 

[Fargle]

Have change.org or other online petitions ever produced the desired results?

In the real world, only one thing ever brings about real change.
I won't go into that here, but most of you will know what I'm talking about.
The anc had failed the people before any of this went down and they knew they were on their way out.
This is their last grasp at power.

 

[newby_investor]

In the real world, only one thing ever brings about real change.
I won't go into that here, but most of you will know what I'm talking about.
The anc had failed the people before any of this went down and they knew they were on their way out.
This is their last grasp at power.

Petitions have had their effect in some cases.

The ~200k signatures on the petition to lift the ban is quite telling in comparison to the 2 signatures on the opposing petition when I checked a few minutes ago.

The ANC is historically not very good with numbers though, so they might not be able to understand the significance of those numbers.

Disclaimer: I signed the petition to lift the ban. I am not a smoker and I think it's a filthy habit, but I said from the beginning that suddenly forcing smokers to go cold turkey while simultaneously locking them inside with their relatives is a recipe for disaster. It'll do far more harm than good.

 

[Moosedrool]

Petitions have had their effect in some cases.

The ~200k signatures on the petition to lift the ban is quite telling in comparison to the 2 signatures on the opposing petition when I checked a few minutes ago.

The ANC is historically not very good with numbers though, so they might not be able to understand the significance of those numbers.

Disclaimer: I signed the petition to lift the ban. I am not a smoker and I think it's a filthy habit, but I said from the beginning that suddenly forcing smokers to go cold turkey while simultaneously locking them inside with their relatives is a recipe for disaster. It'll do far more harm than good.

You're assuming a bunch of power-tripping mobsters having any consideration for a democratic vote.

 

[newby_investor]

You're assuming a bunch of power-tripping mobsters having any consideration for a democratic vote.

You sir, have put it much more eloquently than I was capable of doing. Please accept my "like" as a token of my appreciation.

What you say is quite true - the current situation and the ANC's handling of it reveal that their first priority is being in charge. Not about democracy or liberty or even the wellbeing of the country or citizens, but about them being in charge and saying what is allowed and what isn't.

 

[Jabulani22]

Petitions have had their effect in some cases.

The ~200k signatures on the petition to lift the ban is quite telling in comparison to the 2 signatures on the opposing petition when I checked a few minutes ago.

The ANC is historically not very good with numbers though, so they might not be able to understand the significance of those numbers.

Disclaimer: I signed the petition to lift the ban. I am not a smoker and I think it's a filthy habit, but I said from the beginning that suddenly forcing smokers to go cold turkey while simultaneously locking them inside with their relatives is a recipe for disaster. It'll do far more harm than good.

Bad with numbers you say .
Could that be a result of the freedom before education the movement pushed ?

 

[SAguy]

I'm really surprised the big tobacco companies haven't been making more noise... they have destroyed the economies of countries, pretty much owned some countries, and have politicians so deep in their pockets all over the world - yet they can't sort this out?

 

[Sneeky]

https://www.timeslive.co.za/sunday-...-with-cigarette-smuggler-and-gambling-tycoon/

It is, it has it will remain.

Yup, now that the Gupta money taps have dried up a new source of funds has been discovered.

This 71yrs old gogo should really be locked up at home for her own health and safety during Covid19, and the safety of South Africa.

 

[MiW]

I'm really struggling to figure out the science behind why active smokers are doing so well with Covid 19, yes they have a more vulnerable target fr the virus, but so far it seems plausible that getting to that vulnerable target involves going through a gunfight for the virus.

If you were a previous smoker and the damage was already done, then the data is more in line with what was initially thought...

Correct me if you think I am wrong. I think smokers in general are not so obese as the non smokers. And obesity is basically the number one reason to end up in hospital with Covid-19 ( high BP, diabetes, heart problems).

“More people [in 2015] died because complications related to diabetes than malaria, tuberculosis and HIV combined,”

 

[RonSwanson]

Ag the weaklings in this country.
All they do is cry on their stoep and smoke tea leaves.

everyone is waiting for someone to do something but no one wants to be someone that does something.

Actions are more successful if they have an element of surprise. Public forum discussion removes it.

 

[Nanfeishen]

I'm really surprised the big tobacco companies haven't been making more noise... they have destroyed the economies of countries, pretty much owned some countries, and have politicians so deep in their pockets all over the world - yet they can't sort this out?

Then one has to wonder who is paying off whom , because they are certainly not making enough noise.

 

[Nqindi]

In the real world, only one thing ever brings about real change.
I won't go into that here, but most of you will know what I'm talking about.
The anc had failed the people before any of this went down and they knew they were on their way out.
This is their last grasp at power.

Snap back to reality.

 

[Geoff.D]

Carl says no cigs - can we have a collective gfy !

MK veterans praise Cyril Ramaphosa but oppose sale of cigarettes

The veterans association has lauded President Cyril Ramaphosa for "excellent hard work" in leading an impressive government response to the Covid-19 pandemic

www.timeslive.co.za

ps: wtf does this twat have to do with the Umkhonto we Sizwe Military Veterans Association ?

Dont you know the history behind this reverse coconut?
So, that is where the the CIG ban comes from ?
The MKVA decided it should be so.

 

[Fargle]

Snap back to reality.

Ditto.
Keep on living the dream, Comrade.
A failed government is a failed government.
No amount of wailing or stamping your little feet in defiance will alter THAT reality.

 

[Fargle]

Dont you know the history behind this reverse coconut?
So, that is where the the CIG ban comes from ?
The MKVA decided it should be so.

As I mentioned elsewhere, he works for the BBC...

 

[TheChamp]

This is going to back fire on them big time. Marikana will look like a toddlers cops and robbers Bday party.

When is this massive backfiring going to happen? I don't want to miss it.

 

[Geoff.D]

Oh Niehaus has never kept his sycophantic trap shut...... he has and still does support Zuma completely. This is merely him trying to ingratiate himself with the new leadership so he doesn't get booted to the curb.

Well, Zuma will be in court on Wednesday. He has to find a new sponsor to cling to, and fast.

 

[daveza]