Ban on alcohol and cigarettes in South Africa

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RaptorSA

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If only it meant something and could make a difference, hey.

Yeah it doesn't...
But there's something that's been nagging at me that I want to share on this topic.

As someone who grew up on a farm initially with parents each working for the government in the Dept. of Agriculture for between 24 and 30 years, there was always a little word in their vocabulary that crept up, again and again in our household when Mom and Dad had a good kitchen rant about their ever-deteriorating workplace situation.
I would have been playing Ninja-Turtles in the next room, the guy who can't even remember your name if I met you yesterday, funny how that works.

That word was "spite"...

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SPITE, so simple, elegant and well known, yet barely used and over the years I've seen first hand how many times that little word and the concept behind it has crept up over and over and over again when it comes to the ruling class in this country. Many people sometimes misinterpret the expression of it as some uber concerted "evil plan" when it's just the stars aligning in favour of such a simple human expression, ending up looking like something that's more than the sum of its parts, sometimes, that is.
In short: Those who underestimate spite see stupidity, and those who overestimate it see complicated conspiracies. The entire spite spectrum is valid, but most of it is pure, median spite, people being stupid corrupt poepholes trying their best to deceive us.

Anyway, so here's the thing, a petition will most probably be ignored, as usual. At most it will actually accomplish the opposite, they'll actually be less likely to change things out of spite.

BUT... we know now that we could get half a million people involved enough to fill in an annoying page, ok, let's be more conservative for the sake of sanity, that's 250,000 pissed off people to at least agree on something in a short amount of time, while we're sitting in our living rooms etc.

Also, we're all stuck here, right? Even between provinces. Many of us don't want to be, but it is what it is.
Point is, that a petition is nothing but a proxy to gauge outrage and confirms something we couldn't possibly declare with certainty between ourselves even 48 hours ago: baie mense is die **** in, and I am too. I assumed it, now I know it.

Sounds stupid, but it's a mental thing and one of the reasons governments hate the spread of information and will always attempt to control the internet/opinion is that unknown factor that crops up when you have numbers and resources. Our government is so f0kken dom that'll probably never happen, even if they try. That's something we have on our side... and the current demographic of people that are slowly waking up to this is the one they fear the most.

Knowing that there are others out there that are willing to draw the line is only a first step in figuring out what "drawing the line" even means. South-Africa's middle and upper class have never really had to express themselves physically, even fat sedentary Americans will kick our asses on that front. I feel like I can write a book on that topic alone, but let's just accept that yes, middle and upper-class folks (me and you) are tos at this

Also, has anyone else noticed, people on MyBB used to be at each other's throats all the time, a true shitshow, in fact, this place used to be crawling in dipsh1ts... these days I find myself coming here more and more because I see comments and perceptions that are so far superior to the horsesh1t on social media etc. It's like there's been a "pettiness cleanse".
People I've probably disagreed with vehemently in the past about whatever crappy subject, now suddenly dropping comments on topics that are so relevant and to the point that I can barely speak to others outside of MyBB without feeling they're 20 steps behind.

I just spent 2 hours earlier this evening reading MyBB comments on my phone and completely ignoring a f**kton of new movies on my PC I could have rather watched... and I couldn't even keep up with the "like" button on comments, that's not something that ever really happened before.
 
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**** the man
covid is a distant memory, the man is our worst enemy again.'
I'm organizing with my local barman, to have a big braai at his pozzy, for his wife to make warm food for which i`ll pay double. **** the man who decided that because he's white he doesn't deserve a living. This is not my government.
 
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SPITE, so simple, elegant and well known, yet barely used and over the years I've seen first hand how many times that little word and the concept behind it has crept up over and over and over again when it comes to the ruling class in this country. Many people sometimes misinterpret the expression of it as some uber concerted "evil plan" when it's just the stars aligning in favour of such a simple human expression, ending up looking like something that's more than the sum of its parts, sometimes, that is.

Anyway, so here's the thing, a petition will most probably be ignored, as usual. At most it will actually accomplish the opposite, they'll actually be less likely to change things out of spite.

Agreed - 100%.
 

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Yeah it doesn't...
But there's something that's been nagging at me that I want to share on this topic.

As someone who grew up on a farm initially with parents each working for the government in the Dept. of Agriculture for between 24 and 30 years, there was always a little word in their vocabulary that crept up, again and again in our household when mom and dad had a good kitchen rant about their ever-deteriorating situation.
That word was "spite"...

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SPITE, so simple, elegant and well known, yet barely used and over the years I've seen first hand how many times that little word and the concept behind it has crept up over and over and over again when it comes to the ruling class in this country. Many people sometimes misinterpret the expression of it as some uber concerted "evil plan" when it's just the stars aligning in favour of such a simple human expression, ending up looking like something that's more than the sum of its parts, sometimes, that is.

Anyway, so here's the thing, a petition will most probably be ignored, as usual. At most it will actually accomplish the opposite, they'll actually be less likely to change things out of spite.

BUT... we know now that we could get half a million people involved enough to fill in an annoying page, ok, let's be more conservative for the sake of sanity, that's 250,000 pissed off people to at least agree on something in a short amount of time, while we're sitting in our living rooms etc.

Also, we're all stuck here, right? Even between provinces. Many of us don't want to be, but it is what it is. Point is, that petition is nothing but a proxy to gauge outrage and confirms something we couldn't possibly declare with certainty between ourselves even 48 hours ago: baie mense is die **** in, and I am too.

Sounds stupid, but it's a mental thing and one of the reasons governments hate the spread of information and will always attempt to control the internet/opinion is that unknown factor that crops up when you have numbers and resources. Our government is so f0kken dom that'll probably never happen, even if they try. That's something we have on our side... and the current demographic of people that are slowly waking up to this is the one they fear the most.

Knowing that there are others out there that are willing to draw the line is only a first step in figuring out what "drawing the line" even means. South-Africa's middle and upper class have never really had to express themselves physically, even fat sedentary Americans will kick our asses on that front. I feel like I can write a book on that topic alone, but let's just accept that yes, middle and upper-class folks (me and you) are tos at this

Also, has anyone else noticed, people on MyBB used to be at each other's throats all the time, a true shitshow, in fact, this place used to be crawling in dipsh1ts... these days I find myself coming here more and more because I see comments and perceptions that are so far superior to the horsesh1t on social media etc. It's like there's been a "pettiness cleanse".
People I've probably disagreed with vehemently in the past about whatever crappy subject, now suddenly dropping comments on topics that are so relevant and to the point that I can barely speak to others outside of MyBB without feeling they're 20 steps behind.

I just spent 2 hours earlier this evening reading MyBB comments on my phone and completely ignoring a f**kton of new movies on my PC I could have rather watched... and I couldn't even keep up with the "like" button on comments, that's not something that ever really happened before.

I'd give you a Bells, but ...
 

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There is a OK minimart in Durbanville that sells... stocked up on sigs, rizla and tobacco yesterday. I should be fine for the rest of the year, almost bough everything he had lol

Vape juice also sorted, remembered a guy that I bought from 2 years ago around the corner. Luckily he's still doing business
 
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You can make an argument for car travel is a net benefit, even though electric/renewable would be far better.

Explain to me how smoking is a net benefit to society.

The long term medical costs not directly covered by the smoker is extensive. Its drives up the cost of medical aids and public healthcare for everyone. Even us non-smokers are paying extra, because otherwise smokers would not be able to afford medical aid, or get public healthcare.

SARS stated tobacco sales is bringing in R150m in taxes per month. According to a 2016 study, smoking related losses average R2.75 billion per month (R33b per year). In order for it to be a benefit, taxes in cigarettes would need to increase by ~1833%.

source: https://2019.essa.org.za/fullpaper/essa_3715.pdf
That is very easy. Smoking prevents you to shove food in your mouth all the time. Smokers are less obese. Obesity cost more to the health system than smoking. Smokers have up to 10 years less life span , and in general don't drag their 'sicknesses' like diabetes ( needing dialysis) , like fat people do. Google the costs of obesety vs the costs of smoking to the health system.

Now in ideal world , people won't over eat because they don't smoke, but sadly not ideal world , there is always other addictions .. and they are mostly worse.
70% women in SA obese , 40% men. If you look at the dead cases of the virus , its all associated with what a Dr said , metabolic sumfing aka obesity. Not much smokers in hospital , so evident , that french are doing nicotine trials.
 

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I don't drink anymore so not missing in the least. I did drink waaay too much though so I'm really glad that is not a problem I have to deal with right now, only scrounging for smokes :):confused:
 

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I wonder if the geniuses in government did a study about the effects of mental health on people who are coerced into isolation and then also deprived of the one thing that helped them cope?

I don't smoke and I hardly drink anymore, but I feel that this ban is an impingement of freedom on grounds that don't exist. The ANC government will be responsible for more families breaking apart under the undue stresses that they will now have to face in confined spaces.

Government is not needed in the 21st century. We should have a council of economic stakeholders running things.
 

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This thing about people going about sharing their hookah mouthpieces is laughable. How many people smoke hookahs? Are we in Lebanon or Egypt?

Neither - by the sounds of it, you are in hell because of a hookah with a gap in her teeth .......
 

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I wonder if the geniuses in government did a study about the effects of mental health on people who are coerced into isolation and then also deprived of the one thing that helped them cope?

Maybe this idea of giving everyone that Robben Island experience?

I honestly dont think they give a hoot about the people ...... they are just high on power at the moment.
 

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Government is not needed in the 21st century. We should have a council of economic stakeholders running things.

USA not doing so great if media is to be believed.

Our problem is that the ban is economically linked, its linked to the fact that the one making the laws have ties to those that "break" em. I would almost bet that NDZ is getting a backhand in the illegal sales as photo's of her and known smugglers have been surfacing to the fact that Edward Zuma is partners with them.
 

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USA not doing so great if media is to be believed.

Our problem is that the ban is economically linked, its linked to the fact that the one making the laws have ties to those that "break" em. I would almost bet that NDZ is getting a backhand in the illegal sales as photo's of her and known smugglers have been surfacing to the fact that Edward Zuma is partners with them.

Agreed!

Ek hoop julle het 'n sambreel, want dit gaan binnekort begin P0esklappe reen!
 

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I don't drink anymore so not missing in the least. I did drink waaay too much though so I'm really glad that is not a problem I have to deal with right now, only scrounging for smokes :):confused:
Try this, Double Hope, Single White Port , Angastura bitters slice of lemon, crushed ice and Ginger Ale. Kicks like a mule.
 
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