BBBEE 'has reinforced white supremacy' - Thuli Madonsela on why SA needs to relook at model

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“In fact, if anything I think it has reinforced white supremacy; instead of undermining it.”

Technically correct by definition, but contextually a poor choice of phrasing. Good choice with reinforced over strengthened though. I'll show myself out.
 
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Benedict A55h0le said:
What is a better way to address disadvantage than socialism and racist laws?
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Larger expenditure on infrastructure and education in disadvantaged areas - regardless of the demographics of the area.

Some kids walk kilometres to school every day, only to get there and get sub-standard education. Hardly any textbooks, building falling apart, no toilets, no or little water. Invest there with everything you've got. Subsidise those schools to the limit of state coffers.

Build trade schools in the areas, let people become plumbers, electricians, boilermakers, and so forth. Something you can take with you anywhere and with which you could even start a business on your own.

Some years down the line, build a uni, or convert the college into a uni.

Every year the expenditure on education is massive, but we don't see much coming from it.

For any suggestion to work the corruption needs to be curbed drastically. You'll never get rid of corruption entirely, but you could get it in line with 1st world norms.
 
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netstrider said:
Larger expenditure on infrastructure and education in disadvantaged areas - regardless of the demographics of the area.

Some kids walk kilometres to school every day, only to get there and get sub-standard education. Hardly any textbooks, building falling apart, no toilets, no or little water. Invest there with everything you've got. Subsidise those schools to the limit of state coffers.

Build trade schools in the areas, let people become plumbers, electricians, boilermakers, and so forth. Something you can take with you anywhere and with which you could even start a business on your own.

Some years down the line, build a uni, or convert the college into a uni.

Every year the expenditure on education is massive, but we don't see much coming from it.

For any suggestion to work the corruption needs to be curbed drastically. You'll never get rid of corruption entirely, but you could get it in line with 1st world norms.
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If this school gets the investment and becomes a good school, am I allowed to send my "advantaged" child there and get the same benefits, or must the "advantaged" children pay while "disadvantaged" children get for free? How is it decided who gets it free and who must pay? How do we prevent that the paying children will need to pay more to cover for those who does not pay? This does seem like a good approach though, problem is that socialism is not sustainable.
 
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netstrider said:
Larger expenditure on infrastructure and education in disadvantaged areas - regardless of the demographics of the area.

Some kids walk kilometres to school every day, only to get there and get sub-standard education. Hardly any textbooks, building falling apart, no toilets, no or little water. Invest there with everything you've got. Subsidise those schools to the limit of state coffers.

Build trade schools in the areas, let people become plumbers, electricians, boilermakers, and so forth. Something you can take with you anywhere and with which you could even start a business on your own.

Some years down the line, build a uni, or convert the college into a uni.

Every year the expenditure on education is massive, but we don't see much coming from it.

For any suggestion to work the corruption needs to be curbed drastically. You'll never get rid of corruption entirely, but you could get it in line with 1st world norms.
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Will never happen unfortunately, the ANC have the electorate exactly where they want them: uneducated and afraid of boogeymen.
 
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Solarion said:
When any democratic country has put laws in place which discriminate against a tiny ethnic minority from participating in the economy as freely as an overwhelming majority, then you have to ask two questions:

1. What is so special about this tiny minority that they need to be handicapped in order to compete fairly?
2. What is wrong with the majority that they are unable to compete with the tiny minority?

These are questions I have personally been asked from people overseas when talking about BEE. They look at the numbers and it doesn't add up since Affirmative Action has always historically been imposed on the majority in order for the minority to have equal opportunities. You literally get this look of confusion.
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Do these people from overseas not ask you why all the petrol pump attendants/gardeners/domestic workers, etc. are black? Does that add up for them? I'm asking because these people from overseas are clearly so enlightened about equal opportunities. I mean, is it just that no white people have wished for the opportunity to pump petrol for minimum wage?
 
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SlinkyMike said:
Do these people from overseas not ask you why all the petrol pump attendants/gardeners/domestic workers, etc. are black? Does that add up for them? I'm asking because these people from overseas are clearly so enlightened about equal opportunities. I mean, is it just that no white people have wished for the opportunity to pump petrol for minimum wage?
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Minimum wage jobs are reserved for black people through BEE.
 
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SlinkyMike said:
Do these people from overseas not ask you why all the petrol pump attendants/gardeners/domestic workers, etc. are black? Does that add up for them? I'm asking because these people from overseas are clearly so enlightened about equal opportunities. I mean, is it just that no white people have wished for the opportunity to pump petrol for minimum wage?
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They usually go wtf is a petrol pump attendant, followed by don't be lazy fill your own petrol
 
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SlinkyMike said:
Do these people from overseas not ask you why all the petrol pump attendants/gardeners/domestic workers, etc. are black? Does that add up for them? I'm asking because these people from overseas are clearly so enlightened about equal opportunities. I mean, is it just that no white people have wished for the opportunity to pump petrol for minimum wage?
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Who has BEE hurt in this thread? How many people have been robbed of car guard jobs and being petrol attendants? :p
 
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SlinkyMike said:
Do these people from overseas not ask you why all the petrol pump attendants/gardeners/domestic workers, etc. are black? Does that add up for them? I'm asking because these people from overseas are clearly so enlightened about equal opportunities. I mean, is it just that no white people have wished for the opportunity to pump petrol for minimum wage?
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You mean wrong. When I grew up in my town there was many white 'petrol' attendants, especially school kids, in time these positions got displaced. Today I know about a single white petrol attendant employed in my town.

The same with gardeners. Most white gardeners start their own gardening and landscaping businesses. My coloured gardener started with door-by-door gardening seeking daily employment, he today owns his own gardening business and has since grown.

I can't say the same about domestics, but again, there are businesses in line with deploying domestics.
 
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