BBBEE 'has reinforced white supremacy' - Thuli Madonsela on why SA needs to relook at model

Rocket-Boy

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There would literally be no need for BBBEE if the government wasnt running the country into the ground.
In a strong economy there is always work available, people have more and are generally happier.
We have the exact inverse of that and scarcity drives legislation like this.
 

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Let us assume for a second this part over school meals is true...
If it is me that gets excluded over something, well, i guess i will just suck it up.
But hamper my child or disadvantage my child, and the unfairness is magnified a 1000fold.
And with this scenario is probably was the icing on the cake, the straw that broke the camel's back... If a kid cannot get food at school with the other kids, what future is here for that kid? And that idea rolls around in your head and just grows bigger.

So yes, i can imagine that some parents will view such a thing as a biggie. The only reason to move, nah, but add to few other things and a bit of paranoia, i can see that happening.
There may very well be other circumstances. I'd rather not speculate with little to no detail.
 

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Yes, it must be addressed, not by taking the wealth of someone else, but by enabling (quality education for all and safety and security for example) and then building new wealth, which has actually been hampered the political party in power and their policies. But that same party gets voted in time and again.
Ah but you are thinking from the viewpoint of someone who wants to fix the situation with practical actions.
Education is the last thing the ANC wants to improve, throughout history it has been shown that people are easier to control when they are ignorant.
If everyone in SA was well educated and had gainful income then the ANC would be entirely irrelevant and would lose their power very quickly.
 

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I get the impression that the whole theatre is blowing up, when proponents start making stupid and ridiculous statements then you know that the gig is up.
Lol...one of the most ethically and morally upstanding people in the public sphere. None of her statements are ridiculous unless you're on the other side of the fence.
 

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This is one of those questions that I don't think has any good answers. Both sides have valid points but it calls for mutually incompatible courses of action

If everyone in SA was well educated and had gainful income
Which isn't particularly plausible. Even with the rest of the world standing still it would take forever to catch up
 

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Bollocks. ROFL.
Perhaps about the school food, but I basically left for similar reasons. Bursaries going to black kids who are way better off yet have had weaker academics. You only have to be on the receiving end of that sort of thing once for it to leave a lasting impression on your long term thinking about whether you want to be on the SA train

Even if it's all justifiable in broad historic context practically that's a very easy choice to make
 

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Perhaps about the school food, but I basically left for similar reasons. Bursaries going to black kids who are way better off yet have had weaker academics. You only have to be on the receiving end of that sort of thing once for it to leave a lasting impression on your long term thinking about whether you want to be on the SA train

Even if it's all justifiable in broad historic context practically that's a very easy choice to make

It's also two-sided, those kids that are better off and had weaker academics are used to justify the system to receive additional funding when they passed. Even amongst black kids, often the system is skewed towards benefitting the kid that is better off because it attracted donors and shows off that charity paid off. I had a lot of kids that I put thru the system and came from hell, get turned down for different kids. BEE is exactly what it says it is, but it is abused in so many ways.
 

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Everyone hung up on the petrol attendant comment cos they have no answer for my actual question. Same schit different day. Weak sauce though my word. :ROFL:

You never answered my question though... What should the reparations be for the past injustices?
 

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And also really weird to be able to afford to take one's whole family overseas to escape not getting a free school meal. Very odd indeed.
How is it weird to be unhappy to pay taxes but see how others get the benefit of your taxes, and you the tax payer is excluded from benefiting from your own taxes?

This is what she said when I asked her why she emigrated. I am sure that crime also played a role. She is from an old socialist country, so she has lived the results of socialism and hates it, like all people who had lived in socialist countries.
 

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How is it weird to be unhappy to pay taxes but see how others get the benefit of your taxes, and you the tax payer is excluded from benefiting from your own taxes?

This is what she said when I asked her why she emigrated. I am sure that crime also played a role. She is from an old socialist country, so she has lived the results of socialism and hates it, like all people who had lived in socialist countries.
Super weird when you also pay taxes but have no children…
 

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How is it weird to be unhappy to pay taxes but see how others get the benefit of your taxes, and you the tax payer is excluded from benefiting from your own taxes?

This is what she said when I asked her why she emigrated. I am sure that crime also played a role. She is from an old socialist country, so she has lived the results of socialism and hates it, like all people who had lived in socialist countries.

Yeah, the crime thing I can understand but getting her knickers in a knot about a school meal is just nuts.

I hope she emigrated to a country with no form of social security whatsoever or she must be beside herself now.
 

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How can they still have a job? We can't have millions of petrol attendants just because people are black, somewhere there is going to be a cutoff on the number of employable people and the saturated job market. Everyone needs rare skills or would benefit from rare skills, the decision at the end of the day lies on the employer who they want to go with in any case.

Just as an employer would easily take a BEE candidate, they'd also take a client with more social skills, similar language and culture or a better appearance.
The quality of service nowadays, or rather the total lack thereof, is testament to the lowering of standards just to get a higher scorecard.
 

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Yeah, the crime thing I can understand but getting her knickers in a knot about a school meal is just nuts.

I hope she emigrated to a country with no form of social security whatsoever or she must be beside herself now.
The thing about kids not being given food while others got their plates did not happen, it's one of MyBb's legendary stories.
 
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