Biased Motoring journalists / authors

kripstoe

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Clearly Zuma has joined the staff of Car magazine!
Check page 87.
The price of a Isuzu D-Max 3,0 TD 4x4 LX is listed as:
R6006 700.

WHAT A FCUKKING JOKE.

In my book a magazine that specialises in cars should have all technical specs and any figures pertaining thereto correct. - 100% correct!
Obvious mistake is obvious. Triggered much?
 

stroller

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Let me tell you something,
For many years I was in the engine rebuilding business.
A couple of thousand's of an inch would leave you into disaster.
I expect a magazine that reports about cars to have the technical specs right up to accurate specs.
There is no room for error.
TechniCar was a sister magazine of Car magazine and eventually it melted back into Car magazine.

So what I'm saying is that if you can't get your technical specs rights, how in hell can I ever assess your evaluation to be valid?

To get back to all the profusely posts of FiestaST .
There is absolutely no value.
All he does is to post all the comments of other web sites.
Those I hook up to in any case.


What I need to see is someone who talks about cars and has an opinion instead of:
STICK AND PASTE.
 

FiestaST

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Let me tell you something,
For many years I was in the engine rebuilding business.
A couple of thousand's of an inch would leave you into disaster.
I expect a magazine that reports about cars to have the technical specs right up to accurate specs.
There is no room for error.
TechniCar was a sister magazine of Car magazine and eventually it melted back into Car magazine.

So what I'm saying is that if you can't get your technical specs rights, how in hell can I ever assess your evaluation to be valid?

To get back to all the profusely posts of FiestaST .
There is absolutely no value.
All he does is to post all the comments of other web sites.
Those I hook up to in any case.


What I need to see is someone who talks about cars and has an opinion instead of:
STICK AND PASTE.
Is something wrong with you troller?

Why you must derail every (good) thread over trivial matters?

Are you an SJW?

Do you need a safe space?

Just say the word guy, I will actually understand.

Do you need things to be more clearer?

Do you needs your eyes checked?

Would you like a nice meme?

Lastly I don't give two pennies who you were or what you were the past.

So many questions so little time.
 

nazmo

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Let me tell you something,
For many years I was in the engine rebuilding business.
A couple of thousand's of an inch would leave you into disaster.
I expect a magazine that reports about cars to have the technical specs right up to accurate specs.
There is no room for error.
TechniCar was a sister magazine of Car magazine and eventually it melted back into Car magazine.

So what I'm saying is that if you can't get your technical specs rights, how in hell can I ever assess your evaluation to be valid?

To get back to all the profusely posts of FiestaST .
There is absolutely no value.
All he does is to post all the comments of other web sites.
Those I hook up to in any case.


What I need to see is someone who talks about cars and has an opinion instead of:
STICK AND PASTE.
Maybe im misreading. but FiestaST actively posts articles on multiple threads, especially related to current motoring news/reviews/videos to keep this forum active. There is always something worth checking back for. It takes an effort and without it, there will most probably half of the activity here. Maybe you should try to post daily and put some of your own time into keeping a forum active?
 

bromster

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I don't have time to scour the internet daily for vehicle news.

As these articles get posted, the interesting ones float to the top of my timeline and I find great value in that. FiestaST makes life a bit easier for many of the motoring enthusiasts on MyBB.

However, If a person personally prefers to use magazines as toilet paper, this is not valuable information to me.

Yes, a few thousandths of an inch can make all the difference, and motoring journalism in South Africa specifically is not as good as it used to be. But can we please not fight, and stay on topic. Nobody is forcing anybody to read this thread.
 

asshat99

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Let me tell you something,
For many years I was in the engine rebuilding business.
A couple of thousand's of an inch would leave you into disaster.
I expect a magazine that reports about cars to have the technical specs right up to accurate specs.
There is no room for error.
TechniCar was a sister magazine of Car magazine and eventually it melted back into Car magazine.

So what I'm saying is that if you can't get your technical specs rights, how in hell can I ever assess your evaluation to be valid?

To get back to all the profusely posts of FiestaST .
There is absolutely no value.
All he does is to post all the comments of other web sites.
Those I hook up to in any case.


What I need to see is someone who talks about cars and has an opinion instead of:
STICK AND PASTE.
And you never ever made a mistake while rebuilding an engine. Right.
 

asshat99

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This W24 "review":

Quick review: Mahindra's new XUV300 is surprisingly good and affordable

https://m.wheels24.co.za/NewModels/...-is-surprisingly-good-and-affordable-20190618
Classic puff piece. Probably a reject from a holiday or gardening magazine.

Lol:
89kW and a whopping 300Nm. I was driving home on the highway at a good pace, and a brand new identical model came blistering past me. That kind of driving just emphasises the confidence owners are finding in Mahindra.
This whole 'perceived build quality' thing. Where did it come from? SA 'journalists keep repeating it endlessly. Overseas publications aren't nearly as fixated on repeating those words. Maybe it just a means to be a brand apologist without having to go to the effort to explain (or understand) why you think one interior is nice than another.
 

kripstoe

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This whole 'perceived build quality' thing. Where did it come from? SA 'journalists keep repeating it endlessly. Overseas publications aren't nearly as fixated on repeating those words. Maybe it just a means to be a brand apologist without having to go to the effort to explain (or understand) why you think one interior is nice than another.
Perceived quality is the one of most important factors underlying success of car manufacturers today. There is a sufficient body of literature regarding the perceived quality from a marketing research perspective, applied psychology and consumer research. As the engineering viewpoint, perceived quality represented in the literature mainly by the work that has purpose to assess different aspects of perceived quality in order to evaluate them in the early design stages. At that point there is no theoretical framework built up yet, that combine customer view on perceived quality and the engineering prospects of this broad term. As the consequence, terms regarding perceived quality components and elements often have multiply meanings or meanings similar to each other. There is a need to standardize the terminology and definitions related to perceived quality more concretely.
https://www.researchgate.net/public...e_Automotive_Industry_An_Engineering_Approach
 

asshat99

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The question why is it parroted endlessly by SA 'journalists' without justifying their conclusions? Especially when, as above, it has no meaning at all - even in an engineering (forget colloquial) context.

They also love to use big-boy terms like 'build quality' when they actually mean 'fundamental design'. The wind noise off the rear view mirror is not affected by the quality of the build, unless someone left a part off or it is not tightened on properly.

they lack perceived build-quality
Which perception? Whose? Where? What is the standard for quality? If they were trash, the 'journo' must describe how.

The other go-to when you have nothing to say and you get paid by the number of words:
feels much more solid
What is the journo's standard?
The boot is not massive, but suffice.
Sufficient? For what? A shopping bag? A suitcase? A golf bag? A dog? A sheep? The journo never says.

Absolutely useless. Journalists getting paid by the word, parroting a car review template. A lot of these motoring journalists must be coming from student cars because everything impresses them with the 'perceived quality', sufficiency and solidity.
 
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thechamp

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The question why is it parroted endlessly by 'journalists' without justifying their conclusions? Especially when, as above, it has no meaning at all - even in an engineering (forget colloquial) context.

They also love to use big-boy terms like 'build quality' when they actually mean 'fundamental design'. The wind noise off the rear view mirror is not affected by the quality of the build, unless someone left a part off.

Which perception? Whose? Where? What is the standard for quality? If they were trash, the 'journo' must describe how.

The other go-to when you have nothing to say and you get paid by the number of words:
What is the journo's standard?
Sufficient? For what? The journo never says.

Absolutely useless. Journalists getting paid by the word, parroting a car review template. A lot of these motoring journalists must be coming from student cars because everything impresses them with the 'perceived quality', sufficiency and solidity.
At the end if the day it is just an opinion, there are no standards, it is just an opinion based on the experience of the journalist, that's it.
 

thechamp

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My favourite is "a fun to drive car", I once asked for a definition here since a saw a couple of forumites using the same line, seems like there is also no universal standard of a fun to drive car.
 

kripstoe

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They also love to use big-boy terms like 'build quality' when they actually mean 'fundamental design'. The wind noise off the rear view mirror is not affected by the quality of the build, unless someone left a part off or it is not tightened on properly.
Which perception? Whose? Where? What is the standard for quality? If they were trash, the 'journo' must describe how.
Fundamental design does not equate to (build) quality. It may be a "quality fundamental design", but the execution in building thereof may suck.

Why would a rear view mirror cause wind noise? If that's the case, then a vehicle has serious design issues. Side view mirrors might cause excessive wind noise. And the quality (e.g. poorly designed or worn plastic mold) of it might actually cause wind noise.

Perception of the author. That's what they do day in and out, so in theory they should have experience to subjectively form an opinion on a vehicle. It is definitely opinion, but should match what the majority of vehicle owners perceive. There will always be edge cases and exceptions.
 
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