Blood Clot Risk Much Higher From Covid-19 Than With Vaccines

Venomous

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Trust me... you don't want ****ing COVID.

I am still recovering from it. 3 Weeks in hospital, 2 weeks of that in high care. My lungs were so ****ed that they wouldn't let me get out of bed to piss. Try pissing in a bottle for 3 weeks because every time you stand up your blood oxygen levels plummet and you collapse.
You really don't want this bug because it could be you in hospital!

The infectious disease specialist at Pretoria East Hospital told me I am probably more immune than anyone but did not wave me off getting the vaccine when I can. He just told me to wait 3 months.

I am 35 and if it wasn't for hospitalization I would have been dead.

And regarding the original post: I was injected daily with anticlotting meds. There were sections of my stomach that looked like pin cushions; purple with a lot of holes from all the injections. When you are in for COVID they are paranoid about blood clotting.

Speak to your GP. If he feels you are at risk of blood clotting then he/she should put you on meds to counteract that. But no matter what, speak to your GP about the vaccine, get their advice. Their advice should count for a lot more to you than the opinion of some keyboard warriors on this or any forum.
I also did the horrible hospital roller-coaster ride for 3 weeks. Was only in high care for 7 days. The dr said I recovered very quickly. Then a small special ICU ward (not where most go). There 5 days. Rest of my stay in general ward.
Bottom third of my lungs "flooded"
So I was intubated (stuff put into lungs through mouth)
They did have to resuscitate me a few times on the worst day. They thought I wouldn't make it.

I was told 6 months for lungs to heal.
It also affected my legs. Took 2 weeks of physio and me doing stuff before I could walk unassisted the first time.
Last third of lungs only came back into action the Fri before I left(next Wed)

Not an experience I wish for anybody.
I was also constantly told "there's a good chance you're going home with oxygen". I left without! :)
 

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Morning. More immune after surviving covid ?
Anyone that had had covid is more immune to the strain of covid you had. You can still get infected by the other strains.

However the most common opinion seems to be that if you had a dominate strain, like delta, you are likely to have better resistance against the weaker strains than someone who never had covid.
 
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Cosmik Debris

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We been vaccinating toddlers and babies since 1802. What's the problem?

From Wiki with the quoted references:

Noting the common observation that milkmaids were generally immune to smallpox, Jenner postulated that the pus in the blisters that milkmaids received from cowpox (a disease similar to smallpox, but much less virulent) protected them from smallpox.

On 14 May 1796, Jenner tested his hypothesis by inoculating James Phipps, an eight-year-old boy who was the son of Jenner's gardener. He scraped pus from cowpox blisters on the hands of Sarah Nelmes, a milkmaid who had caught cowpox from a cow called Blossom, whose hide now hangs on the wall of the St. George's Medical School library (now in Tooting). Phipps was the 17th case described in Jenner's first paper on vaccination

"Edward Jenner & Smallpox". The Edward Jenner Museum. Archived from the original on 28 June 2009.

An Inquiry into the Causes and Effects of the Variolae Vaccinae, Edward Jenner.
 

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If you going to post stuff like this you should include your full medical history so that we can judge how healthy you are.
I had it on a severe level.
3rd day in hospital family was called to say goodbye.
I made it through.
I am generally a healthy person.
The last time I had flu/cold was June 2015, even though others around me had flus/colds, so the general consensus was that I would probably have covid "like a bad flu" worst case.
Were they wrong!

And before I went to hospital I never coughed nor had stuff coming out my nose. I still had smell and taste.

(I got sent to hospital after taking someone else to get more meds. Dr gave me one look and insisted on assessing me.)
On entry into hospital my xrays reveal typical covid pneumonia. Still hadn't had a need to cough.
By Sun bottom third of my lungs were flooded.
I ended up being intubated...

So those that say "go to hospital if you battle to breathe". While not wrong I am going to say monitor your stats, and rather go sooner than when it is too late...
 

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Anyone that had had covid is more immune to the strain of covid you had. You can still get infected by the other strains.

However the most common opinion seems to be that if you had a dominate strain, like delta, you are likely to have better resistance against the weaker strains

That's not always the case. I read a paper, I can't find the link though, where autopsy findings were used to determine the numbers and types of immune cells generated by persons who had succumbed to COVID-19.

The data there showed lack of memory cells or other specific cells which would give rise to immune protection.

That was just one paper though based on a handful of cases and those people died, but the conclusion was that severe covid need not yield good immunity. It's still good to take PPE precautions in your case and follow what your attending doctor suggested about vaccination.
 

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That's not always the case. I read a paper, I can't find the link though, where autopsy findings were used to determine the numbers and types of immune cells generated by persons who had succumbed to COVID-19.

The data there showed lack of memory cells or other specific cells which would give rise to immune protection.

That was just one paper though based on a handful of cases and those people died, but the conclusion was that severe covid need not yield good immunity. It's still good to take PPE precautions in your case and follow what your attending doctor suggested about vaccination.
My lungs are still so weak that the common cold will likely take me out.

A piece of molar broke off, not sure when. Outside edge of tooth, not sure when.
Saw the dentist the week after I got out of hospital. He refused to use local anesthetia stating "it does travel through the body and can affect your lungs". It was not fun!

My case was further complicated. When entering hospital I also had a bacterial infection that was NOT related to covid so my body had to fight on more than 1 level. I really survived odds that were horribly stacked against me. So much so that the dr called me a miracle. I just looked at him funny.
The bacterial infection was only discovered when they started doing blood tests.

The day I left hospital they tested my blood and there was a zero viral load.
Whatever the results were... I also went home without blood thinners. Most people are on thinners for some time.

There have been plenty of studies that indicate antibodies against ??? version of covid. However the effectiveness does wan with time. Which is why the vaccine is still recommended. But can only be taken once I am healthy, which I am not right now.
 
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If this was like HIV (not airborne) then I wouldn't give two shits about whether you get vaccinated or not. The fact that I can get it from you breathing in the same room as me makes your refusal to take the vaccine my problem.
You do know that, once infected (even asymptomatic), vaccinated people carry the same level of viral load as unvaccinated?
 

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On misinformation


On herd immunity

The vaccines were designed to provide herd immunity against the original COVID-19 virus, then it mutated and now that's no longer the case. If you read up and keep yourself educated this will undoubtedly be clear, and virtually every doctor that writes in the media is making this known. The delta variant is so different and so prevalent that its basically completely killed off its original version and taken over.

Just because our understanding and circumstances evolve, just like the virus does, doesn't mean that it's "misinformation".
And here I thought the vaccines were only designed to prevent serious illness and death. What l was I thinking!!

As for herd immunity, what you're saying is that your experts did not understand that coronavirus is potentially unstable and could mutate.

Now I understand why they thought that 3 weeks of lockdown would make it go away.

PS: 2 years later, will they also claim they now have much better understanding of how their vaccines work and what effect they have?
 

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Been through 4 doctors and with stomach ulcers it's just "take acid reduction and off you go" had many scopes done and nothing good ever comes from it. I do need to have a serious sit down with a doctor but I can't seem to find one in Durban who would give me the time of day. They say it's stress and poof off you go onto the next.

But probably can give actual advice regarding stomach ulcers and all of this compared to this forum.
Have you been taking any anti-inflamatories, aspirin etc?
 

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And here I thought the vaccines were only designed to prevent serious illness and death. What l was I thinking!!

As for herd immunity, what you're saying is that your experts did not understand that coronavirus is potentially unstable and could mutate.

Now I understand why they thought that 3 weeks of lockdown would make it go away.

PS: 2 years later, will they also claim they now have much better understanding of how their vaccines work and what effect they have?

Herd immunity was here and there.

Lockdowns also did not work because people were slack, lazy and d1cks about it.

Wasted economy and on top of it less to show for it because people are just d1cks.
 

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BTW where I work, and we employed proper measures, we had 3 virus infections, both from the outside. One was in the prevaccine era. Spouse gave our employee the illness at home. Other was in a non-vaxxing person a month or so ago. Third was working actively with COVID-19 patients but got COVID from a spouse at home. That was also during the 1st Wave.

Proper controls and measures can work. But people can't be d1cks.
 
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