Blood Clot Risk Much Higher From Covid-19 Than With Vaccines

Daveogg

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As I posted elsewhere, there was a study in Vietnam clearly showing fully vaccinated medical staff infecting one another (69 or so of them if I remember correctly)
Sure and I have experience of medical staff infecting each other, all I was trying to point out is that PCR CT values do not necessarily equate to infectious virion load. That still needs to be determined.
 

Geoff.D

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On misinformation

Both sides will have people who don't correctly understand things and make mistakes, but someone reading or taking in a reliable source of information and having an incomplete understanding of things is very different from someone who takes in information from an unreliable source and has an incomplete understanding of things.

Also one side is merely spouting information that may be, generally speaking, out of date at absolute worst, while the other side is spouting information that, again generally speaking, is outright lies in the worst case scenario.

On herd immunity

The vaccines were designed to provide herd immunity against the original COVID-19 virus, then it mutated and now that's no longer the case. If you read up and keep yourself educated this will undoubtedly be clear, and virtually every doctor that writes in the media is making this known. The delta variant is so different and so prevalent that its basically completely killed off its original version and taken over.

Just because our understanding and circumstances evolve, just like the virus does, doesn't mean that it's "misinformation".

On trusting doctors

You say backtracking, I say updating their understanding. The foundation you are working from (trusting of doctors/pro vax vs not trusting of doctors/anti vax) will dramatically affect how you frame this situation. As it stands, your posts have made it clear your trust in the medical fraternity on COVID-19 vaccines is low. I hope you're not taking any other medication recommended by a doctor – who knows what it could do to you!
If you believe the stuff you posted here then there is no hope for you ever understanding what the vaccines were designed to do, what heard immunity really means and why the govts are pushing this whole campaign so hard.
 

Geoff.D

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Not really, we live in South Africa, where there are 12 million registered drivers, there are an average of 14 000 deaths a year, now they don't tell me how many car accidents there are yearly though. Sure it's not COVID death count, but it's still relatively high for something that everyone does.
Statsa publish car accidents and deaths in one of their reports. Can't find it at the moment.
 

Seven_Nine_Eight

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Published study in NEJM, 25 August, 2021:
Safety of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine in a Nationwide Setting

It looks like it is mostly good news for the safety profile of the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccine.
Figure 4 provides a useful summary:
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1) Pulmonary embolism risks are not increased compared to COVID-infected (elevated in COVID-infected). Good news for right ventricular heart health and pulmonary resistance.
2) Only very slight increase in risk of developing myocarditis (bigger chance of getting it if COVID-infected).

One thing to look out for though is increased incidences of lympadenopathy. This is especially important to follow given what was observed in the Japanese biodistribution animal study of the vaccine. Most of the lipid components of the vaccine were found at the site of injection. However, these components were also found to accumulate in the spleen and bone marrow (among other organs). It is unclear from the biodistribution study whether the mRNA components of the vaccine also end up in these organs in any significant concentrations.
 

Cosmik Debris

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Because that is all he does and he does it because his only argument is to discredit those that don't agree with his world order.

If you had the credibility to present a medical argument, I would not discredit your argument.
 

Venomous

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How do you know who is vulnerable? Right here we have a young woman* that is seldom sick that was knocked flat and would have died without ICU:
High care has a few more machines attached than in ICU. With a nurse on the otherside of the glass door...

And honestly, GP told me to go to hospital. I didn't think I needed it. In hindsight I know that had I never gone that day I would not have been in hospital the day it went wrong. I would not have survived had I been at home.

While I did not feel bad I already had covid pneumonia.

I don't think my family enjoyed being called to go say goodbye...
Yet I survived!





*fixed :p
 

JohnMao

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He is correct. Why you asking for his qualifications?
cause he has none and has self-styled himself as an expert here. And because he also lambasts doctors who offer a different opinion on the goings-on in a hospital at this stage. Specifically if they don't agree with IVM working.
 

Venomous

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The best way to know if you should be in hospital is to get your GP, specialist or emergency rooom dr to assess you.

While it is very important to go to hospital if you cannot breathe it is not the only way, and for some that point is too late.

If you are unwell, or even unsure rather get your GP or other dr to assess you and then to make that recommendation.

I had not coughed, not sneezed, no runny nose...

Yet I was already at pneumonia stage by day 12.(might even have been there before.

The only symptoms I had was fatigue and extremely high fevers.
 

Venomous

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Another interesting fact:

While I was in hospital I was injected DAILY with blood thinners.

I can only assume the dr relied on blood tests (there was a schit ton of those) and I was sent home WITHOUT blood thinners.
Yet many people that I know (near and far) are on thinners for between 2 and 3 months after getting better from covid. They all managed to heal at home.

Do note: half a blue asprin causes my nose to bleed if taken over a few days(was told to take that when I got ill). So that might also have been taken into consideration.
 
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Venomous

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On the subject of ivermectin. I know there are camps for and against.

The physician asked me if I had taken it. My answer was no. He was happy and said it would have complicated his job if I had.

I didn't want to take meds not designed for humans if dr didn't prescribe it. I am also allergic to a large variety of meds so wasn't going to chance it by buying from who knows who, that is on the Internet....


So I'm neither for nor against.
 
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