Blood Clot Risk Much Higher From Covid-19 Than With Vaccines

Pixual

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You may have been asymptomatic and spreading it without even realising it, also you've not experienced what these viruses can do, so yeah. Hope you don't wear a seat-belt in your car cause you've never been flung through the windscreen yet.
Dude, you do realise that the vaccines DO NOT stop you from spreading the virus, right? So please explain to me why it is sooooo important for everyone to get the jab?
 

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Dude, you do realise that the vaccines DO NOT stop you from spreading the virus, right? So please explain to me why it is sooooo important for everyone to get the jab?

Lupus is aware that the vaccine doesn't prevent the spread, if the vaccine did nothing there would be no push to get it. Rather the reason to get the vaccine is to reduce the risks to yourself and to also put less strain on the system.
 

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If this was like HIV (not airborne) then I wouldn't give two shits about whether you get vaccinated or not. The fact that I can get it from you breathing in the same room as me makes your refusal to take the vaccine my problem. Yes, the vaccine isn't perfect, but breakthrough cases are rare, and at worst, you're improving your defenses against the damn thing which in turn makes it less likely to mutate.

And before people jump on the subject of vaccine resistant strains: in order for a vaccine resistant strain to develop and mutate, you have to have the vaccine in the first place, and then get a breakthrough case, which is bloody rare. People who get COVID minus the vaccine are far more likely to create some new variant than a vaccinated person.



Then don't get the mRNA vaccine. Get J&J. That uses the old vaccine tech.

You need to update your mindset with the latest stats. Your vaccine is not going to stop you from spreading the virus to evrybody else and it is not going to stop you from getting infected over and over again. At best it will stop you from croaking in the hospital. At best.

So please, stop spreading misinformation. Whatever you think you know is based on half truths.
 

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Trust me... you don't want ****ing COVID.

I am still recovering from it. 3 Weeks in hospital, 2 weeks of that in high care. My lungs were so ****ed that they wouldn't let me get out of bed to piss. Try pissing in a bottle for 3 weeks because every time you stand up your blood oxygen levels plummet and you collapse.
You really don't want this bug because it could be you in hospital!

The infectious disease specialist at Pretoria East Hospital told me I am probably more immune than anyone but did not wave me off getting the vaccine when I can. He just told me to wait 3 months.

I am 35 and if it wasn't for hospitalization I would have been dead.

And regarding the original post: I was injected daily with anticlotting meds. There were sections of my stomach that looked like pin cushions; purple with a lot of holes from all the injections. When you are in for COVID they are paranoid about blood clotting.

Speak to your GP. If he feels you are at risk of blood clotting then he/she should put you on meds to counteract that. But no matter what, speak to your GP about the vaccine, get their advice. Their advice should count for a lot more to you than the opinion of some keyboard warriors on this or any forum.
This post:

1. Will be marked anecdotal by a bunch of experts here;
2. You're going to be asked what your comorbidities are
3. If you say you have none they're going to be calling you a liar with something to hide.

The more logical of us will view that post for what it is...a direct warning just how bad it can get.
 

semaphore

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I need more than booze to deal with this lot of geniuses.
You're only making yourself look like a fool, it's already been mentioned ad nauseam that the vaccine won't stop the spread but it has been shown to reduce severe symptoms dramatically. But please, by all means, continue with your misinformed bs.
 

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This post:

1. Will be marked anecdotal by a bunch of experts here;
2. You're going to be asked what your comorbidities are
3. If you say you have none they're going to be calling you a liar with something to hide.

The more logical of us will view that post for what it is...a direct warning just how bad it can get.
Guess you never go outside your house either, have you seen how bad it can get out there? Everyone has a different risk profile and risk acceptance. His case if every thing you assumed is correct would be the exception to the rule.
 

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Dude, you do realise that the vaccines DO NOT stop you from spreading the virus, right? So please explain to me why it is sooooo important for everyone to get the jab?
Government is basically going to "force" you to get it unless you live in a bunker.
 

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This post:

1. Will be marked anecdotal by a bunch of experts here;
2. You're going to be asked what your comorbidities are
3. If you say you have none they're going to be calling you a liar with something to hide.

The more logical of us will view that post for what it is...a direct warning just how bad it can get.
1. He doesn't answer questions, so it seems weird, simple things like why was he told he was the most immune person ever, what does that mean? Leaves it very open ended.
2. He later mentioned he's ****ing huge.
3. See point 2.

The more logical of us will say exercise and diet are two powerful weapons along with medical interventions.
 

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Stop being a chicken little man! But flu is quite a broadly used term. Which flu had you man down? Man Flu?

I can honestly say I don't know anyone who died of flu!

TB? Yes, a fair number. I'm working with minimum wage workers. HIV? Yes, a fair number too. Suicide? Yes, one poor chap took himself and 3 kids out! Horrific story that I'm not going to go into.

In my immediate family the vast majority have died from cancer. Like 99%. My grandfather died of a heart attack.

But what you will find interesting, my grandmothers parents both died in the Spanish flu pandemic, within a week of each other. She was 4 at the time with a 7 year old brother. A family friend adopted the 2 of them.

COVID on the other hand (and I know we joke about this one's wife's brothers uncle's unties nephews brother) but, 1 work colleague (obese 50+ something year old), brother-in-laws father (late 60's but super strong and fit), daughters best friends granny (60 something with a rare autoimmune disorder), wife's best friends husband (late 40's, slightly over weight but not obese, father of 2) - and this is the most tragic story out of the lot! 13 year old son caught it from a friend, infected the entire family that's mother, father and 11 year old brother. They all recovered except the old man. Died 17th June 2021... the world lost a legend... RIP Steve...

This is nothing like the flu bro... far from it...
H1N1, first time I've seen a literal test being done, but it was 2009. The also generally don't always mark it down as flu, they would mark it down as pneumonia or something, if they did mark it down besides natural causes.
 

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Dude, you do realise that the vaccines DO NOT stop you from spreading the virus, right? So please explain to me why it is sooooo important for everyone to get the jab?
No sh$@#@ but it does prevent a lot more people from dying from this, eventually the more people who do get it, the more this will just become an endemic and easier to manage.
 

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Guess mRNA is also old tech?

Technically yes. The existence of mRNA was discovered in the 60s, and people really began to get interested in using it as a potential medical technology in the 80s.




 

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No sh$@#@ but it does prevent a lot more people from dying from this, eventually the more people who do get it, the more this will just become an endemic and easier to manage.

But that's not the logic that is being used to coerce people into getting something they don't want to take.

Trust me, if they start this covid passport BS here the **** will not only hit the fan, it will make the July riots in Durban look like a garden tea party. And people who put forward these moronic notions need a serious reality check.
 

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Misinformation is misinformation, they both just spout what ever the popular opion of their side is without understanding what their spouting.

How many people are still under the impression herd immunity is achievable? And when doctors start backtracking how do you think that effects trust?

On misinformation

Both sides will have people who don't correctly understand things and make mistakes, but someone reading or taking in a reliable source of information and having an incomplete understanding of things is very different from someone who takes in information from an unreliable source and has an incomplete understanding of things.

Also one side is merely spouting information that may be, generally speaking, out of date at absolute worst, while the other side is spouting information that, again generally speaking, is outright lies in the worst case scenario.

On herd immunity

The vaccines were designed to provide herd immunity against the original COVID-19 virus, then it mutated and now that's no longer the case. If you read up and keep yourself educated this will undoubtedly be clear, and virtually every doctor that writes in the media is making this known. The delta variant is so different and so prevalent that its basically completely killed off its original version and taken over.

Just because our understanding and circumstances evolve, just like the virus does, doesn't mean that it's "misinformation".

On trusting doctors

You say backtracking, I say updating their understanding. The foundation you are working from (trusting of doctors/pro vax vs not trusting of doctors/anti vax) will dramatically affect how you frame this situation. As it stands, your posts have made it clear your trust in the medical fraternity on COVID-19 vaccines is low. I hope you're not taking any other medication recommended by a doctor – who knows what it could do to you!
 

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No sh$@#@ but it does prevent a lot more people from dying from this, eventually the more people who do get it, the more this will just become an endemic and easier to manage.
Problem is, is this going to become the norm for every new and emerging disease that has slightly higher mortality rate than the experts deem normal.
Every new or emerging disease has a mortality potential, with population growth, those mortality rates will increase, thats inevitable.
With population growth the potential for new diseases increases as well, also inevitable.
Are we due to go into panic mode each and every time.
Or are we going to face the facts , and the reality, that a certain amount of people will unfortunately die, and that we cannot keep destroying economies, and lives trying to prevent the inevitable.
 
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