Blouberg restaurant accused of racism after rejecting bookings

[Milano]

Absolutely. I would go further and say that blacks are drumming up these stories to justify imminent genocide. /s

Targeting restaurants that clearly welcome all will save you

 

[Cosmik Debris]

How do you know so much about my travels? Psychic? Witch? Shaman?

Clearly demonstrated by your lack of knowledge of the majority of SA in many of your posts.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Someone made a claim of racism against this place, it's either true of false but it's not a hypothetical situation.

The problem is, whenever there is a refutation, you conjure up another hypothetical situation with no evidence at all to demonstrate there could have been racism. Eventually, the narrative becomes that there can only have been racism. It's called gaslighting and is a dishonest form of discussion.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

How do you know so much about my travels? Psychic? Witch? Shaman?

Well then, tell me where you have traveled to remove any doubt?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

I agree, there doesn't seem to be anything to be much to it but are you suggesting that because they accept black diners when they are not at capacity that there is no possible way that they could act differently when they are at or near capacity? Again, I have never said they are racist, why are you guys so offended by the idea of at least investigating the circumstances around this?

Cray, you're gaslighting. You know that is dishonest.

 

[Cray]

Cray, you're gaslighting. You know that is dishonest.

BS, please quote my post where I stated that there was definitely racism at work here, I have been very careful not to make a judgement either way,

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

BS, please quote my post where I stated that there was definitely racism at work here, I have been very careful not to make a judgement either way,

 

[Cray]

The problem is, whenever there is a refutation, you conjure up another hypothetical situation with no evidence at all to demonstrate there could have been racism. Eventually, the narrative becomes that there can only have been racism. It's called gaslighting and is a dishonest form of discussion.

What refutations have you provided?

 

[Cray]

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Oh look, meme boy has run out of logical things to say, perhaps you can quote my post where I said racism was definitely at work here?

 

[Cray]

@Cray, that is the signal that you are coming across as unhinged.

Oh noes, Milano thinks I am unhinged, god forbid...

 

[Cray]

This forum would suggest otherwise. Lots of racists on here.

This story admittedly sounds very fishy, why would anyone show clients away in this crappy times? It doesn't make any sense. I'd need to see some solid evidence to believe this.

Racism seldom makes sense, but agree, solid evidence is definitely something that is needed in this case, not just hearsay or people jumping to conclusions.

 

[Mila]

Am not sure about you, but when someone I don't know phones me, it's usually pretty easy to identify their mother tongue from their accent and in most cases that corresponds to race.

These days not so much. Capetonians all sound very much alike. Just the Coloured peeps has that very colorful accent.
But its subjective.
it also depends on how native they are to WC.
I was commenting on how bookings are made though. Not the accent thing.
my coloured friend sounds english.. until she gooi afrikaans

 

[Cosmik Debris]

BS, please quote my post where I stated that there was definitely racism at work here, I have been very careful not to make a judgement either way,

You have never stated that racism is at work. You imply it all the time and when one scenario is refuted you conjure up another hypothetical scenario. That's called gaslighting.

 

[Cray]

You have never stated that racism is at work. You imply it all the time and when one scenario is refuted you conjure up another hypothetical scenario. That's called gaslighting.

Oh, so because you can't read properly and are making assumptions about what I think, now suddenly that's my fault?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

What refutations have you provided?

The photos taken on the day of many black women at the restaurant that I pointed out to you. Think they're on page 2 or close by.

 

[Cray]

These days not so much. Capetonians all sound very much alike. Just the Coloured peeps has that very colorful accent.
But its subjective.
it also depends on how native they are to WC.
I was commenting on how bookings are made though. Not the accent thing.
my coloured friend sounds english.. until she gooi afrikaans

Fair enough, I did say most times, I definitely think accents are merging, especially with so many people speaking English these days.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Racism seldom makes sense, but agree, solid evidence is definitely something that is needed in this case, not just hearsay or people jumping to conclusions.

So, what solid evidence do you have for your assertions that there MAY have been racism at play? Then whenever one assertion gets refuted, you find another. You could carry on forever like that without evidence. It's dishonest.

 

[Cray]

The photos taken on the day of many black women at the restaurant that I pointed out to you. Think they're on page 2 or close by.

Those pictures are from marketing material, there is no evidence they were taken on the same day as the complaint.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

These days not so much. Capetonians all sound very much alike. Just the Coloured peeps has that very colorful accent.
But its subjective.
it also depends on how native they are to WC.
I was commenting on how bookings are made though. Not the accent thing.
my coloured friend sounds english.. until she gooi afrikaans

My coloured friends in Cape Town sound the same - Until after the second glass of wine. And they joke about that happening, teasing the first one to lapse into Gam.

"O Jirre, hoo dah va kommie Gam."

 

[Cray]

So, what solid evidence do you have for your assertions that there MAY have been racism at play? Then whenever one assertion gets refuted, you find another. You could carry on forever like that without evidence. It's dishonest.

I don't have solid evidence, my argument was against people saying that there absolutely wasn't racism involved, I honestly don't know either way, but given the evidence shown, am really not sure how anyone make up their mind 100% either way. Happy to give the restaurant the benefit and that maybe this was a misunderstanding if no other evidence turns up.