Blu-ray Adoption Still Sluggish, HDTV Sales Up

LazyLion

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http://hothardware.com/News/Bluray-Adoption-Still-Sluggish-HDTV-Sales-Up/

It's a tough time for Blu-ray to be really hitting its stride. Many consumers are still wary due to the battle with HD-DVD, and frankly, many are still content with DVD. In too many cases, upscaled DVD looks "good enough" for consumers, and only those with oodles of disposable income are willing to fork out for Blu-ray. Blu-ray player prices are still relatively high, and the actual movies are way expensive compared to the same titles on DVD. Plus, the install base of DVD is so high, it's tough for many to start building another movie library on another format.

Those reasons and more are what is keeping the interest in Blu-ray rather low according to a new study by Harris Interactive. Currently, 11% of Americans own an HD-DVD player, while just 7% own a Blu-ray player. Crazy, right? More Americans own HD-DVD right now than the "winning" format, Blu-ray. To be totally honest, we aren't so shocked by the news. When HD-DVD was around, it was far and away the "budget" format for high-def. The players were cheaper, the films were cheaper. In other words, it was a format more ready to thrive in a down economy. Blu-ray was always viewed as a niche format for those absorbed in A/V, not the common man's format.

Today, BD is still fighting that stereotype, but the prices aren't helping it win many folks over. Of course, many folks own a Blu-ray player in that their PS3 will play them, but people are still not jumping to join the BD bandwagon. The lag in adoption can't totally be blamed on the economy, though. During this same time period, HDTV ownership is up. In the survey, nearly half of respondents stated that they own an HDTV, which goes to show that HDTV ownership isn't necessarily a prerequisite for Blu-ray adoption. With HDTV stations becoming more and more the norm, many folks are spending their TV watching time on high-def programs, not Blu-ray. Compared to May of 2008, some 12% more people own HDTVs.

The survey also found that on average, consumers purchased approximately 6 Standard Format DVD’s in the last six months compared with 1 in HD format (HD-DVD .7 vs. Blu-ray .5). Take a look at these PS3-specific findings below to put an even clearer spin on things:

Source: Harris Interactive

When Blu-ray player or PS3 owners are asked specifically about standard versus Blu-ray format purchases, the results suggest a mixed bag of behaviors with some price sensitivity indicated:

* Only one quarter plan to switch to Blu-ray completely (25%), while one third of Blu-ray or PS3 owners claim that most of their movie purchases are now on Blu-ray format (32%);
* Two in five are waiting for Blu-ray format prices to come down before they buy more (43%) – and a quarter buy Blu-ray regardless of price (25%); and,
* Only 1 in 5 appear to be replacing or duplicating their existing standard format DVD library with Blu-ray format (21%), and over a third say they only buy movies on Blu-ray format that they currently do not own on standard definition (37%).

All told, we still see Blu-ray adoption a long ways from taking off. The economy isn't helping matters, and Blu-ray just doesn't provide a good enough incentive to convince users to switch from DVD. We'll ask you: have you switched to Blu-ray? Are you holding off? Do you think DVD is "good enough?"

haha... so the format war is still not over! :D Just as I predicted.
 
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I think you're confusing slow adoption with a format war.

HD DVD is dead, Toshiba gave up some time ago and blu ray is king.

Just remember that it's not just buying a new blu ray player, but having to upgrade your AV receiver/amplifier as well. It costs a lot of money and right now is not the best time to do all the upgrades.

DVD took a very long time to oust VHS, so don't expect it will be any different with blu ray.

But nothing beats watching a blu ray movie on DTS Master Audio and a Sony Bravia LCD.

Simply stunning.
 
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This article disputes that assumption. Blu ray is still very far from being king. and I very much doubt whether it ever will be king.

Didn't they say the same about DVD against VHS? :)

Blu ray will become the standard, DVD is an outdated format. Trust me on this.
 

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Didn't they say the same about DVD against VHS? :)

Blu ray will become the standard, DVD is an outdated format. Trust me on this.

When the debate about DVD vs VHS was going on the internet was still in it's infancy and there was very little in the way of competing standards.

Now you have massive internet downloads going on and a huge war between content owners and downloaders. You have companies distributing their movies online.

People went out and invested heavily in building their DVD collections up. They are not very likely to do the same thing again with another standard that is the same size and shape simply for slightly better definition but at a much higher cost. Just ain't gonna happen.

Blu-ray will cling on like laser-discs did for a decade and then will finally be supplanted and assigned to the trash heap of obscure and pointless formats.

Trust me on this ;)

HD-DVD might have succeeded because it was cheaper and had less DRM restrictions, but it had to fight against DVD as well. DVD is OK for most people, but even if blu-ray is perceived to be better, people are not gonna jump at it. They have been burned too many times having to buy their same collections over and over again. Now they are rather just gonna download what they want.
 

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Didn't they say the same about DVD against VHS? :)

Blu ray will become the standard, DVD is an outdated format. Trust me on this.

VHS stood its ground for a long time BUT the attractiveness of random access won people over to DVD and the fact that the media lasted longer (no physical contact with the disk vs VHS tape wear and tear).

Most people don't really need HD at this stage. Most people don't own properly sized HD sets. Most HD sets are LCD and have quality issues. Of course the fact that the economy is tanking is not helping much either.
 

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Besides movie houses dropped the HD format sometime ago as well so that was the death of HD. Blu Ray will grow but because of high prices it will take some time. I'm not prepared to pay R300 for one movie just see crystal clear version of something I can watch on DVD. The only advantage I can really see is BD's storage space . . . 50GB!
 

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I thought that Blu Ray disks would be good as a storage medium, but with terabyte SD cards set to debut in a year or two... Blu Ray can go shove it. The internet and flash memory will kill it.
 

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at this point, i'm still buying dvd movies... i need to replace my dvd player cause it's old and giving me hassles with reading movies lately =/

but i'm looking at a player with a nice sound system and upscaling technology (i know there's no huge difference in quality but still :) ) ....

my opinion on this matter is that even though bluray is superior to dvd the difference does not warrant the price variation. as a previous poster mentioned, we can't compare the switch from VHS to dvd to the switch from dvd to bluray ... i consider myself somewhat of a movie collector and buy atleast 2 to 4 movies a month (sometimes more depending on what i find) and the main incentive for switching to dvd at the time was that i wouldn't have to put up with stretched tapes and loss of quality over time.

i reckon when bluray becomes as well priced as dvd it will definitely become the next "standard" format, the product is being marketed too well to completely fail to be honest. i remember not too long ago seeing about the same sized space allocated to dvd movies in video stores as the size currently allocated to bluray.
 

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For the price of 4 blu-ray disks you can buy a WDTV or similar media streamer. For another 3 disks (and soon to be less) you can get uncapped internet. I have a DVD collection in the 100's so putting this on HDD will 'cost' 3-4 Blu-ray disks. See where this is going?

Blu-ray is a dead format unless the R199 PC read/writers with R5 disks become available. Heck, I'd even pay R599 for a 50-GB backup drive.
 

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After much reading, investigation and procrastination, I recently bought a Blu Ray player for my PC... and am Most impressed!!! :D

To say that Blu Ray will find its way to the trash heap is either naive, or a very dramatic way of saying it will take time to be adopted. New formats aren't going to come about every second year..... Just look at the timelines from VHS to DVD to Blu Ray....ehmmm HD :D

Whether it be HD-DVD or more realistically Blu Ray, one of these Will be the new norm. What needs to happen now (as I imagine happened with DVD) is that new buyers of digital formats need to go straight HD instead of buying DVD players. As has been mentioned a good few times already though, I just dont think most peeps are in any situation to make that leap. Prices have come down, make no mistake but the timing is still off! The 6X player I bought for R1.5K is nothing when I recall seeing a 2X player for close on R5K.

As with anything, just give it time.... ;)
Thats my 4c worth at least...
 

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After much reading, investigation and procrastination, I recently bought a Blu Ray player for my PC... and am Most impressed!!! :D

To say that Blu Ray will find its way to the trash heap is either naive, or a very dramatic way of saying it will take time to be adopted. New formats aren't going to come about every second year..... Just look at the timelines from VHS to DVD to Blu Ray....ehmmm HD :D

Whether it be HD-DVD or more realistically Blu Ray, one of these Will be the new norm. What needs to happen now (as I imagine happened with DVD) is that new buyers of digital formats need to go straight HD instead of buying DVD players. As has been mentioned a good few times already though, I just dont think most peeps are in any situation to make that leap. Prices have come down, make no mistake but the timing is still off! The 6X player I bought for R1.5K is nothing when I recall seeing a 2X player for close on R5K.

As with anything, just give it time.... ;)
Thats my 4c worth at least...

R1.5K is not enough.

You also need a full HD HDCP display and graphics card (HDCP enabled).
You also need a premium version of PowerDVD or WinDVD.

OR

A full HD - large enough to match room size - HD set.

In each case these are pricey items.

Don't forget that HD movies are limited in selection AND expensive to boot.
 
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Once again, we like to think South Africa is the world.

It is not and people in the States and UK have already embraced blu ray as the future.

Have a look here :

http://forum.blu-ray.com/

One of my favorite sites to visit, but guess we won't see something similar in SA soon. :)
 

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Blu Ray will die out. Online storage mediums will become the norm as bandwith increases. Except maybe for SA.
 

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Once again, we like to think South Africa is the world.

It is not and people in the States and UK have already embraced blu ray as the future.

Have a look here :

http://forum.blu-ray.com/

One of my favorite sites to visit, but guess we won't see something similar in SA soon. :)

That site is owned by the Blu-ray consortium. Looks like Sony self-promoting their own brand! :D
 
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That site is owned by the Blu-ray consortium. Looks like Sony self-promoting their own brand! :D

I don't see anything wrong with providing people with useful information, and footing the bill, almost like MyADSL? ;)

Just want to ask.....have you ever experienced a blu ray movie, with lossless audio on a reference LCD display and a kick-ass AV home entertainment system?

If you have.....do you think it's 'overrated' and we should rather stick to DVD for the next five years till something else becomes the new accepted format?

Just curious. :)
 

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I don't see anything wrong with providing people with useful information, and footing the bill, almost like MyADSL? ;)

Just want to ask.....have you ever experienced a blu ray movie, with lossless audio on a reference LCD display and a kick-ass AV home entertainment system?

If you have.....do you think it's 'overrated' and we should rather stick to DVD for the next five years till something else becomes the new accepted format?

Just curious. :)

MyBB is simply an information website. They don't own any of the businesses they comment on. Big difference! What you are talking about is Telkom running a forum for ADSL users.

Yes I have experienced a Blu-Ray movie. It was nice, nothing amazing. I have a friend who has his own home cinema with all that stuff. It's nice, but there is no way on earth I will ever be able to afford that kind of setup, not even close, not in ten years. I am quite happy with my DVD player. Besides I watch movies for the story line, not so much for the special effects. Special Effects and amazing pictures and sound are nice, for a few minutes. But if the story line is not there, I get bored pretty quickly.

If I want to watch something on a big screen, I pay R8 and go to the movies. That's a whole lot cheaper than R8000.
 
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MyBB is simply an information website. They don't own any of the businesses they comment on. Big difference! What you are talking about is Telkom running a forum for ADSL users.

Um....they discuss Denon, Yamaha, Rotel and many more AV equipment on that site. As far as I know, Sony don't own Denon, or Yamaha, or Rotel, or Samsung. Maybe I'm wrong and all those discussion boards are a conspiracy by these corporations? :D
Yes I have experienced a Blu-Ray movie. It was nice, nothing amazing. I have a friend who has his own home cinema with all that stuff. It's nice, but there is no way on earth I will ever be able to afford that kind of setup, not even close, not in ten years. I am quite happy with my DVD player. Besides I watch movies for the story line, not so much for the special effects. Special Effects and amazing pictures and sound are nice, for a few minutes. But if the story line is not there, I get bored pretty quickly.

If I want to watch something on a big screen, I pay R8 and go to the movies. That's a whole lot cheaper than R8000.

Ah, and here's the rub. Just because you can't afford any of the blu ray capable AV receivers/players/etc, it's all bad? So your argument is basically that if you can get from point A to point B in a Toyota Tazz, people that buy Audi R8s are just plain stupid.....and if you want to experience it, you'll just go for a ride in a taxi.

I also enjoy movies with great story lines, but also had so much fun watching Transformers....can't wait for the new one to come out on blu ray!!! And what about Terminator : Salvation?

PS : I think your friend's system was not up to scratch. Blu ray sounds and looks simply stunning & better than anything else on the market....by a long way. :p
 
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