Botswana scraps gay sex laws in big victory for LGBTQ rights in Africa

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I don't buy that conclusion. The only evidence is that words existed for gay people. No evidence is presented that it was tolerated more or less than with Christianity.
The author has a obvious bias.
What counter evidence do you have?
 

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I wonder if activist Kat Koles Kolenyane has ever considered monogrammed pillow cases.
 

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One could supply evidence of religion making africa more intolerant , now if only we had some form of written history documenting life before Christians showed up.......
 

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The one making the claims has provided evidence. He disputes it.
I have exactly the same evidence as the author of that article, I will take his legitimate evidence and disagree with his BS conclusion/interpretation.
 
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One could supply evidence of religion making africa more intolerant , now if only we had some form of written history documenting life before Christians showed up.......
There's no question that the extreme cases of fire and brimstone Christianity can be extremely intolerant. I don't think that was the brand of Christianity spread at first by missionaries, lone missionaries tend to be quite liberal, unlike crusaders that convert by force that people might think of. What makes the most sense is that Africa already had extremely conservative(in their own way) monarchies. This is still evident today with the cultural aspects regarding respect for elders and so forth. That doesn't go well with the idea that they were openly and proudly gay.
 

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Something that is wrong does not have to affect me.
Strange opinion to hold considering how in this country's history, government considered your kind 'wrong' and legislated against you too.

You should be celebrating their liberation, not wishing them to be second class citizens like you once were..
 

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Good on Botswana. It's really a simple truth that we shouldn't care if people want to have gay sex and it really isn't the government's business.
 

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I don't buy that conclusion. The only evidence is that words existed for gay people. No evidence is presented that it was tolerated more or less than with Christianity.
The author has a obvious bias.
If you want to hold the view that being gay is not a choice and is a consequence of biology, then there must be an evolutionary force behind it. The custom of polygamy (or the social position of an alpha male that takes most of the females) to my mind would be such a force.
 

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If you want to hold the view that being gay is not a choice and is a consequence of biology, then there must be an evolutionary force behind it. The custom of polygamy (or the social position of an alpha male that takes most of the females) to my mind would be such a force.
Polygamy was only allowed under certain circumstances.

Of course Africa wasn't one homogeneous society so, I don't speak for the rest of the continent.
 

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The one making the claims has provided evidence. He disputes it.
Leviticus 20:13 is quite explicit I think. Religious would of course argue that "put to death" is a metaphor meaning "feed a person a dead cow" or something like that.
 
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